ascMcLaren Enthusiasts

[75coug]

How close is muscat red to the jalapena red available on the 1985-1986 Capri?
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Robert

1989 ascMcLaren convertible - royal gold
1986 ascMcLaren convertible - red
1984 ascMcLaren convertible - white

[Sandy]

Here is the complete listing of where the colors came from: I suggest 'ya all copy & print it & save it !

1984 – 1990 ascMcLaren Paint Colors

Atlantic Blue – (1986 Lincoln “Shadow Blue” – Code 7C)
AzurA Blue – (1986 Merkur XR4Ti “AzurE Blue” – Code OT)
Jubba Blue -
Paris Blue #1 – (1985 Merkur XR4Ti “Paris Blue” – Code 03)
Paris Blue #2 – (1987 Nissan “Bright Blue” – Code 426)
Bright Regatta Blue – (1988 Ford Ranger/Aerostar “Bright Blue” – Code 3E)
HOT Yellow – (Seat {European Car} – 1994-2004 “Ovni Yellow” – Code SES1H Sikkens Code)
Dino Yellow – (1993 Mustang Feature Car “Canary Yellow” – Code BZ)
Keweenau White & ASC White are Identical
Aquamarine – (1992 & 1993 Ford Festiva / 1994 Ford Aspire “Aqua”– Code SE)
Coral Red – (Nissan 2000-2002 “Cranberry Pink” – Home Market Only NISAX7 Sikkens Code 348B6 – Japanese Market Only Color on “Cube” Mini Van.)
Red-Fox – (1987 Merkur XR4Ti “Regal Red” – Code 0O)
Candy Red – (1988 Toyota Supra “Red Pearl” – Code 3H1)
Black Cherry – (1985 Cadillac “Black-Cherry” – Code 99)
Royal Gold – (1989/1990 Jeep “Sand-Glow” – Code HY3 &
Chrysler of France “Silver Platine” – Code CF9570 & 1989 Merkur XR4Ti “Tuscany Gold” – Code zero - eight)
Summer Tan – (Ford Truck 1988 “Light Chestnut” – Code 9T)
Alpine Green – (Ford Truck – 1988 “Alpine Green” – Code 4U)
Jet Black – (Universal Black – Code 242)
Sterling Silver – (1983 Ford Escort “Silver Clearcoat” – Code 1Q)
Gunmetal – (1986 Cadillac “Academy Gray” – Code 84)
British Racing Green – (1975-1977 Truimph “British Racing Green” – Code HAA – DuPont Color Code 45102)

REDS:
Bright Red & Porsche’s Guards Red are one in the same.
Muscat Red & Red Snapper are one in the same.
Bright Red = FA87:BR – Porsche Guards Red = POR 027
Muscat Red & Red Snapper are the same as Merkur XR4Ti “Radiant Red” of 1989 (Code OP) and Ford’s “Vermillion” – (Code 021 of 1992.)
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/

[75coug]

Thanks. Great list.
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Robert

1989 ascMcLaren convertible - royal gold
1986 ascMcLaren convertible - red
1984 ascMcLaren convertible - white

[svo413]

[75coug]

[Sandy]

I have frequently wondered about how the colors that were chosen, WERE chosen and the "whys & wherefors" of the selections. Seems either nobody knows, or the people who did it, are long gone. Was there an intense study, did they meet with others within ascMcLaren or Ford or other avenues? We will never know. The above listing took me 1 year to compile, and a tremendous amount of work went into it. Cross referancing codes with paint books, with Sikkens, with web sites, with Sherwin-Williams and others. As one can see, Jubba Blue was a holdout, and was never found. I think it was a custom mix.

I do know that, yes, they tried to pick colors that were NOT, had not and (hopefully, would not) appear on Mustangs & Capris of the 1984-1993 era in time. They seemed to be very keen on the Merkur XR4Ti colors, but...again...that is (was) because those cars were actually painted using SIKKENS paint, when new.
The paint process on them was tops! The paint has some form of plasticazation in it. It rarely chips, and is extremely durable ! The Red seems to be the most prone to fading, from what i've seen.

In 1989, they offerred "Special Order Paint" ~ allowing the buyer to pick any color they wished ! It was $ 806.00 extra cost. There was one (1) taker, and if you look back at the list, you'll see the Truimph's British Racing Green Metallic" color that said buyer wanted.

The ascMcLaren Red cars of 1988 (Muscat Red / Red Snapper)were clearcoated, but none of the other colors were, nor were they prior. The 1989 & 1990s were all clearcoated.
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/

[negusm]

I've often wondered why Ford stopped offering a blue on the Capri RS from 84-86....while asc picked it up for their use for those 3 years.

-Mike
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1985 ascMcLaren Coupe - Midnight Blue
Under Restoration

[Sandy]

One of the (very) few people still at asc, today, that was also there when our cars were being made, is in fact one of the painters. However, HE PAINTED. He painted in the colors they supplied him with, so he has no idea why the colors he had to paint with were the colors that he had to paint with !!
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/

[merk23literturbo]

OK, The history first: I was a Sikkens Rep when they were being made. The cars were hand sprayed using Sikkens Acrylic Urethane products. I talked to one of the painters while he was in the middle of painting a red convertible. The solid colors came in 22 gallon drums usually. It had a little pump in it to keep the color well mixed. The paint could have also been supplied from the local factory store in a pinch or for special colors.
As far as choosing the colors, I am sure it was done at the local level. The local Sikkens Rep or Manager and someone in ASC Design chose the most popular colors of the day. That is why they were copies of readily available colors. The original choosing of these colors by the major OEM manufacturers was a much different process however. Car colors usually follow high fashion colors with a 3-7 year lag. Most car colors are decided three years before production so that the suppliers can get the colors to the production line in time. This is an extremely complex process. I can not even begin to explain how that process works. Here's a really weird color fact: Greens comes back into fashion every 27 years on average.

Sikkens will be able to supply you with any color that you need for a re-spray. The paint will not be the same chemically as it was back in the 80's though. They could still use lead back then. That helps make paint last longer.

I am positive that they did not use any plasticizers in the original paint. Sikkens only used flex agents back then. These are two completely different products. Plasticizers do not become a part of the paint film, Flex agents do. The Sikkens paint that they used back then was very flexibile without any additives so they probably didn't use a flex agent. For example, a paint color Spray Out card could be flexed at least 90 degrees without cracking the paint film back then. However they may have used flex agent in the paint that they used on the bumper covers. If they used it on the whole car it would have really slowed up the production line. Flex agent really slows down the dry time, approximately double.
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Watched them being made

[Sandy]

THANK YOU! ~ and a very hearty WELCOME to you. I went nutty trying to think of a certian word, that I wanted to use, & I just could not think of it...so I substituted a sorta made-up word, in plasticzers. The word I wanted (thank you) was in fact urethane !

The two things that were very interesting to me were that somebody (probably ascMcLaren) renamed the colors from their original source, and that whomever picked the colors went all over the place, using Porsche, Cadillac, Merkur XR4Ti, Ford, Lincoln, Nissan (AND Nissan HOME MARKET ONLY), Ford Truck, Toyota, Seat and Jeep colors.

I was also able to obtain the color listing of the finalized paint colors for the 1991 ascMcLaren, which, of course (sadly) never happened.
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/

[Sandy]

merc23literturbo - thought you might like the final accounting of the paint color usage on the 1987-1990 ascMcLarens.

478 in Keweenau White
473 in ascMcLaren Red
338 in Jet Black
162 in Sterling Silver *
115 in Atlantic Blue *
080 in Azura Blue *
044 in HOT Yellow
027 in Black~Cherry *
022 in Royal Gold *
019 in Candy Red *
015 in Medium Regatta Blue *
012 in Gunmetal Grey *
008 in Paris Blue *
005 in Sea Foam Aqua
005 in Dino Yellow
001 in Coral Pink *
001 in Regal Red-Fox *
001 in British Racing Green (The Only Special Request Recieved)
000 in Summer Tan

This totals the 1,806 made. * = Metallic
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/

[svt1996cobra]

merk23literturbo,

Thanks for that info on paint, I never realized all the changes paint has gone through, I just buy it and spray it!

Sandy,

I bet the British racing green looks good, do you have any pictures of the car? Did it end up in the UK?

David
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David passed Thanksgiving 2015. He will be deeply missed.

[Sandy]

Virginia, I believe.

No, I have no pictures of the car.
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Sandy passed away in 2012. He will be forever missed.

1990 Final Car prior to the 12 Silver Anny Editions
1990 Silver Pearl Anny Edition
1986 Coupe Full Pkg #109 of 114.

http://public.fotki.com/ascmclaren/ascmclaren_capris/sandys_mclarens/