Fixer Upper '86 coupe

Post by **negusm** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:51 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mercury-Capri-ASC-M ... dZViewItem

Minus $300

-Mike

Sandy · Post by **Sandy** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:00 pm

Like last year's Flu, it's back ?? Whooo Hooo, I'll cash in my $20,000 Bond and send an 18-wheeler down to Hank and tell him to "fill 'er up" and with any luck & $25,000 I'll have a remo bomb.

NOT

tfs2121 · Post by **tfs2121** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:41 pm

cool its in delray beach... im flying down this week to stay with the grandparents some in boynton beach and some in boca raton (the 2 citys north and south of delray) maybe ill try and see the car

75coug · Post by **75coug** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:27 pm

Maybe I am just getting grumpy in my old age, but I now refuse to read anything that is in ALL CAPS. If a writer cannot take the time to type something that is easily read, then I will not spend my time trying to interpret it.

mandra · Post by **mandra** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:54 pm

It really is a shame. The rust he describes as "ON THE LF APRON UNDER THE BATTERY TRAY." Is the most worrysome. Sounds like the framerail was rotted out by the battery.

If it weren't for that and the rust around the moonroof the repairs though expensive wouldn't be too difficult to do over time.

svt1996cobra · Post by **svt1996cobra** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:36 pm

Sandy wrote:Like last year's Flu, it's back ?? Whooo Hooo, I'll cash in my $20,000 Bond and send an 18-wheeler down to Hank and tell him to "fill 'er up" and with any luck & $25,000 I'll have a remo bomb. NOT

I think we have identified a problem, while every transaction I have had with Hank has been a good one. He has a monopoly on parts, therefore driving the price to restore a ASC Mclaren to levels that are above the value of the car.

So what happens the driveline gets pulled out and stuck in a 4 cylinder Mustang.

So as enthusiast what can we do? Our goal is preserve the cars right?

I am open for suggestions.

David

n20capri · Post by **n20capri** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:05 pm

svt1996cobra wrote:
Sandy wrote:Like last year's Flu, it's back ?? Whooo Hooo, I'll cash in my $20,000 Bond and send an 18-wheeler down to Hank and tell him to "fill 'er up" and with any luck & $25,000 I'll have a remo bomb. NOT
I think we have identified a problem, while every transaction I have had with Hank has been a good one. He has a monopoly on parts, therefore driving the price to restore a ASC Mclaren to levels that are above the value of the car.

So what happens the driveline gets pulled out and stuck in a 4 cylinder Mustang.

So as enthusiast what can we do? Our goal is preserve the cars right?

I am open for suggestions.

David

Dave I agree but it's hard to do when this guy wants to open the bid at that price...I was saying earlier that it would cost more to ship to me than the car is worth! Also as mentioned above the battery tray rust is very scary...I heard a story one time about an 85 GT's front end literally falling off because of that very same problem...

Post by **negusm** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:11 pm

I don't blame Hank's monopoly for the problem. Actually I find the prices for his poarts extremely reasonable for what they are. I just blame the low values these cars have.

If a decently restored asc coupe (new parts, ground effects, paint, etc) could pull a solid $8k or more, like it SHOULD, then obviously cars like this would be snagged and restored.

$2500 for a shell of a rare Muscle Car (in the low hundreds) is nothing. So why is a car like that still worth only $500 in the shape it's in?

I agree, it's very frustrating.

-Mike

n20capri · Post by **n20capri** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:30 pm

negusm wrote:I don't blame Hank's monopoly for the problem. Actually I find the prices for his poarts extremely reasonable for what they are. I just blame the low values these cars have.

If a decently restored asc coupe (new parts, ground effects, paint, etc) could pull a solid $8k or more, like it SHOULD, then obviously cars like this would be snagged and restored.

$2500 for a shell of a rare Muscle Car (in the low hundreds) is nothing. So why is a car like that still worth only $500 in the shape it's in?

I agree, it's very frustrating.

-Mike

No Barrett-Jackson exposure!! lol Maybe I'll get things started for us and take my car out west and put it through the auction...

Sandy · Post by **Sandy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:49 pm

Hank's prices are not "over the top" ~ but they also are not cheap. They are fine if you need a few pieces to bring a car that's 85% all there, to concours condition but on a total restoration ~ PLUS many many many FoMoCo parts, the finished car is going to never ever be worth the investment, in both effort, time & monies spent! EVEN if Hank were to send everypiece this car needs free of charge, you'd still be way over the worth, in FoMoCo seats, headliner, mechanicals, body rust repair, mechanicals, electrical, etc, etc.
It's not a smart or prudent "buy" ~

RARE-ASC · Post by **RARE-ASC** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:12 pm

negusm wrote:
If a decently restored asc coupe (new parts, ground effects, paint, etc) could pull a solid $8k or more, like it SHOULD, then obviously cars like this would be snagged and restored.

$2500 for a shell of a rare Muscle Car (in the low hundreds) is nothing. So why is a car like that still worth only $500 in the shape it's in?

I agree, it's very frustrating.

-Mike

My take on this is if you got this one and kept it for future value of what they may do i feel it is a good investment for around 1500 to 1700. I just bought a very hard to find 1 owner 82 GT but it needs quite a bit of tlc however in stock unmolested cond and full i mean full "Sandy type documentation"

i could spend a ton to make her perfect but why? It will still bring a decent price with some care for it's rareity just like this ASC should do with some effort on it and if you do not get carryied away fixing it up it should work out. Alot of time you can go way way too far fixing up one to cater to the 1 percenter anel buyer

if that is what you are after IE: thinking of a future sale. Just make it somewhat solid and presentable enjoy it and it should sell for a fair amount whenever you so choose or spend way too much time and effort and lose your shirt. I have said it for years i truley think the 5.0 fox capris and stangs are excellent future collectors.

svt1996cobra · Post by **svt1996cobra** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:30 pm

I think Mike Martinelli, has made a very good point. Most of us park our cars in the garage or barn, get them out for a Sunday cruise, then put them back in the garage. What we need to do is get the cars out and about, let them be seen. ( Which Mike does well).

The value will not go up, unless the general public has a desire to own one, most people don't even know what a ASC Mclaren is.

Let's have some sort of reunion, it's worked well for the SVOOCA, have a get together meet other ASC Mclaren owners, talk cars, cruise, have dinner, shoot the breeze.

I think it is great to have the Forum , but let's do more.

David

ASCMCLRN · Post by **ASCMCLRN** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:28 am

svt1996cobra wrote:I think Mike Martinelli, has made a very good point. Most of us park our cars in the garage or barn, get them out for a Sunday cruise, then put them back in the garage. What we need to do is get the cars out and about, let them be seen. ( Which Mike does well).

The value will not go up, unless the general public has a desire to own one, most people don't even know what a ASC Mclaren is.

Let's have some sort of reunion, it's worked well for the SVOOCA, have a get together meet other ASC Mclaren owners, talk cars, cruise, have dinner, shoot the breeze.

I think it is great to have the Forum , but let's do more.

David

The biggest thing against these cars is the no additional performance factor. They are really nice looking cars to most but all show no go hurts. Some examples. What gets more a California Special or a Shelby? The C/S is actually much rarer but little more then a cosmetic package. Shelby had added performance and a racing heritage. Saleen was doing really bad until they added more power to their cars then they literally started to take off pun intended. Although Saleen didnt have their own special vin indentifier they had a much better suspension and braking package along with the cosmetics. Come to think of it ASC also made a Camaro/ Firebird convertible similar to our cars but much rarer I wonder how that is going to do too in the long run. I would say a Macho Trans Am would do far better then the same make vert in comparison cause of the performance. If you want a Musclecar to be exceptional you must remember its heritage as a performer and then seperate itself from the rest. Another key point is that the market is saterated with specialty vehicles of all shapes, sizes, both foriegn and domestic.

In conclusion I always loved these cars, the first thing I did to mine was add a supercharger though lol. If you want an investment talk to a financial manager and you will see nothing is a sure thing and that goes true in our market too. Own this car cause you want too.

Nick

svt1996cobra · Post by **svt1996cobra** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:40 pm

I agree, had ASC Mclaren formed a race team in 84 or 85 and used the Capri in a production class, things may be different! But heck look at what Roush did! That did not seem to help the Capri! Who knows?

Cougars are not valued close to their Mustang counterparts. I guess as a Cougar/Capri owner, we will have to realize the cars will not reach the value of their Mustang counterparts. As far as the 87-90 Convertibles, I think you are right, they are viewed as modified Mustangs, with parts that are expensive to replace, with no hint of performance added.

We'll just have to enjoy the cars! That is why I have mine.

So who wants to have a Mclaren get together this summer?

David

n20capri · Post by **n20capri** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:01 pm

svt1996cobra wrote:I agree, had ASC Mclaren formed a race team in 84 or 85 and used the Capri in a production class, things may be different! But heck look at what Roush did! That did not seem to help the Capri! Who knows?

Cougars are not valued close to their Mustang counterparts. I guess as a Cougar/Capri owner, we will have to realize the cars will not reach the value of their Mustang counterparts. As far as the 87-90 Convertibles, I think you are right, they are viewed as modified Mustangs, with parts that are expensive to replace, with no hint of performance added.

We'll just have to enjoy the cars! That is why I have mine.

So who wants to have a Mclaren get together this summer?

David

I'm up for a get together...Not sure how close all you guys are but check this out...it's always a good time...and there won't be any import stuff there...PLUS it's for a good cause...

It would be cool to have a little ascMcLaren section...I know the guy running it (known him for years) and I can get us a spot reserved inside if we wanted to have a section for our cars...

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