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Brand new acquisition...

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Well folks... everyone has to start somewhere. First time post'er here, and might I add... Great site! Took a major leap of mechanical and financial faith and recently picked up a Red/Black/Gray '88 model McRagtop with a manual trans. 100% all-original, though somewhat neglected over 22 years of light use. It's in need of general TLC, (a great term to use when passing yet another major purchase by the boss :wink:) and if/when the massive glaciers finally decide to recede from the Great Northeast... it is definitely going to get it!

For the record, I stumbled upon this site completely by accident while looking for additional ASC/McLaren information. Search engines can be a beautiful thing. Done lurking and finally decided to make it all official and sign up today. 8)

This is actually my second Fox-body Mustang. The first being an '85 carbureted (final year) hatchback GT model, also with a 5-speed. Hardtop. White 'n Charcoal. Ahhhhh, what a great car that was. Loved every minute of it. Unfortunately, it was totaled somewhere around 1992 by a distracted, cerebrally-challenged driver in a Dodge minivan who decided it was far more important to save time and immediately turn left into my lane of travel than wait the extra 2 seconds for me to pass. Boy, was I pleased with the mangled result. She refused to step out of her van until the police arrived. In hindsight that was a very smart move on many levels... 'nuff said. I definitely wasn't in the mood to talk about the weather. :argue: To add massive insult to injury, I couldn't stomach the thought of the beer-swilling ogre in the rollback manhandling my newly bent-up baby, so I drove it away from the scene... parts falling off... front tires rubbing the bodywork... only to have the hood (whose secondary latch was now non-functional) come flying up in my face which trashed the entire cowl, etc. etc. and nearly caused a second accident... suffice it to say, not exactly the best day ever. :mad: Anyhow, time marches on and memories do fade. 18 years of being Pony-less later, recently something bright Red followed me home one night... :shock: Crossing fingers for a much more positive future! :D

On another note, right off the bat I'd like to give thanks in advance to Sandy Block for his obvious dedication and massive investment of time and effort into maintaining this site and its ever-growing content and subscriber base. Due to the small build quantities and relative obscurity of these cars (it's a *WHAT*?), even with the internut (pun intended) at ones fingertip disposal, finding reliable, quality information regarding certain rarer, older automobiles isn't always so easy. The local Ford dealer acts like the car doesn't exist. Of course having a disinterested parts jockey who was basically in diapers when the car was built surely doesn't help much. :banghead:

In any event, once the spring thaw kicks in and one can find time to figure out what exactly it is I hath wrought here... there will definitely be more to follow...
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Welcome to the site!

Glad it can be found through the search engines.
RareFox wrote:Hardtop.
Ahem. Pet peeve of mine. A "Hardtop" is a car with no B pillar. I use the term "solid roof" car instead. Try going to a car show and ask a classic Mustang guy if he likes any of the 79-93 "hardtops" over there. I'm sure the response will be great fun.

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Welcome, Rare Fox! I am worried. I think I have found in-house competition for long posts. :lol: That's okay, I enjoyed it.
If ya wanna send me a PM with your car's last 6 digits of it's VIN, I might be able to add a bit to its background. Does she have a Dash Plaque in silver with the words LIMITED EDITION followed by a number?
Give me the # & the last 6 of the VIN - in a PM
Touch up paint is Porsche "Guards Red" from 1987. Do not break a door window, they are custom made. Is your top working? Wanna KEEP it working?
When putting top up, never hold the button behind the driver's seat so long that in it pulls the big screw attached to the rear bow of the roof all the way down. NEVER pull it all the way down!!! Always leave enough room to roll a cigarette under it & into the car. The thing jams and CANNOT be freeed. However if ya leave enough travel to pull it downward, it will free itself and allow you to have things go smoothly.
Lastly, "negusm" is the founder/owner of this site and brought me on-board for my knowledge of these great cars.
Some of your very much appreciated compliments belong to negusm, and I am sure he appreciates them, as do I.

Sandy Block
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I happen to have found your pictures.
What I see......
You are missing your dash plaque. They are available and I can get your number, from your VIN.

You roof is a replacement, and a copy, not OEM.

Your car is a LATE 1988, as its exterior mirrors are attached to the car's doors, rather than to it's "A" post.
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Absolutely beautiful. Your car features my favorite color combo. Congrats on it.

Where did you find it? And what spurred you to pick up one of these, as opposed to a Mustang GT?
Robert

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Hey, thanks to many for the warm welcome! And sorry for the biblically long post. Guess it's tough to hide ones enthusiasm for a new purchase... especially a classic automobile! Hard to believe these things are nearly antiques already. Still look modern to me. A '59 Caddy or a DeSoto definitely registers in my brain as an antique. But an '80's Mustang? 'Eh, not so much. Jeez, I just made myself feel old.

Anyhow, I honestly feel fortunate to have stumbled on this site. It's so easy to get lost in the vastness of the internut these days and get bogged down with incorrect or useless data. This is refreshing.

Thank you for the correction! Wish to extend proper thanks to 'negusm' the founder as well... my apologies for not researching the site history at all, just happened to see Sandy's frequent posts and made an assumption. And we all know what happens when you assume... 8)

On another note, it's amazing that you guys were able to determine so much about the car with just a glance! That's the kind of help and knowledge base I was genuinely hoping to find here. Yes, the dash plaque is unfortunately missing. No, I probably can't justify $125 for a replacement... at least not yet. I saw it online, got sticker shock... :shock: ...and quickly navigated away before my pudgy finger could mash 'Buy-It-Now'!! Don't think the temptation wasn't there... but $250 clams for a single taillight lens overlay? Oh boy - what have I bought here. Thought it was a Mustang. Had to do a 360-degree walk around to be sure. This was supposed to be my relatively low budget ticket back into the Fox-body world. And here I thought Lexus parts were high. Then again, exclusivity does have its price. *sigh*

Have a lot of fish to fry at the moment while I work out the various kinks 'n bugs with the car. Much appreciate the compliments, but a show piece... it surely ain't. The pictures are *slightly* misleading... I'd call it a '10-footer' with some moderate curb appeal. Kinda like this gal I once knew.... whoops - that's a bit off topic. Anyhow, I'll hopefully address everything in due time. It's definitely a 'driver' quality car, which has its merits. One is, you're not afraid to actually use it. I've been down the 'flawless-trailer-queen' road before. I'm fairly patient and do virtually all of my own mechanical restoration work. Someone once told me Rome wasn't built in a day. Comes across like sound wisdom to me. :D

Frankly, this is only the second convertible I've ever owned and I'll surely admit to being a complete McLaren noob beyond what info I've already gathered by reading (mostly from this site) in the past couple weeks. Thanks to this winter being imported courtesy of the Arctic circle, I haven't even put the top down... nor do I actually know how to! It does look almost new, and I appreciate knowing that its not an original replacement. I thought that it was. Does look to be fairly high quality and seems to fit 'OK'. I suspect the first Monsoon-strength rain we get that I'm caught in will tell the tale.

Sandy, I almost called you this evening to talk shop, but didn't think you'd want to be bothered on a Sunday. Common sense took over. Even God took Sunday off!

Some other random details. I'm in the process of trying to buy a set of service manuals. The horn doesn't work and neither do the power mirrors. Fuses are good. One fog lamp lens is cracked as is a taillight outer cover. The stock radio is very scratchy... it may get binned. Also, is it just me or are these incredibly noisy cars inside at highway speeds? 75 sounded like about 120. The upside is the roar might just help keep me out of trouble as I'll have less of an inclination to explore redline in 5th. :lol: None of the local auto parts stores had this color Porsche red in stock in a touch-up size. Any recommendations on where to find paint? You all have me freaked out about the custom-made nature of the glass. I'm sure the special swept-back windshield is the same story. Mental note: stay far, far away from rock-hurling dump trucks (or any large trucks) on the highway. Oh, and I will never use the term 'hardtop' again in Mustang parlance. Particularly now that I have a soft top! :D Thanks again to all. Looking forward to spring!
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Oy, so much to reply to. Lets see...
The windshield is stock Mustang, slid downward and laid back.
The parts are very costly, because when they are gone....they are GONE!
The Door Windows are the hardest item to get.

Closer to spring, I'll instruct you on the dos & DON'T of putting down the top, without punching a nice hole in it. It looks new, it's not OEM.
One can tell by the stitch pattern, and the oversized plastic smaller wrap around rear window panels. All of the copies make those little windows too big. Yours are too big. Easy to tell when compared to a car with original or NOS (New Old Stock).
By the way, your radio/stero is not original. It's not a FoMoCo.
With or without, a plaque to have ingraved, I can give you your original number.
Again, PM me your last 6 digits of your VIN
If ya want your #.

PS/ IF I gave you my tele # ... you can call. Or e-mail me.
I am going out, now. Evenings are better, but before 8PM
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Sandy, thanks again. It's good to know the windshield is a stock Ford part. That'll help lower the 'ole heart rate when out driving the thing. A buddy of mine had a fairly rare 1990 model Porsche 944 Cabrio (great car btw!) a couple years back that developed a crack in the windshield. Special piece of glass that needed to be imported from Germany. Or a small cabin on the top of a mountain in Bangladesh. Either way - If memory serves they wanted something along the lines of $1,500 for it. He sold the car with the crack still in it...

I have a feeling this windshield has already been replaced at some point because it lacks the usual 'wiper haze' (very fine scratches) from normal use, plus there is a crack in the plastic molding surrounding it... possibly from it being pried off?? Also looks to be some black silicone sealer at the junction of the soft top and the windshield header. Pure speculation there, but if I were a betting man...

Actually, I was only joking around about the parts pricing in general. Sure they're high, but with good reason. Considering the substantial investment that must've been involved to purchase all of the remaining factory parts and tooling, which of course has to be recouped at some point... plus a profit. Everyone has to eat.

The stereo I believe to be original. Suppose it's possible it's not original to the car... but it is a factory Ford unit with their printed logo on the cassette door. I will say it sounds so bad I prefer the sound of it off much better. At least that way the 5.0 liter receives undivided attention. :D

Yes, I would DEFINITELY appreciate instruction on the right way (and wrong way) to deal with the convertible top to prolong its longevity and not break anything. Bet there are plenty of others out there who could benefit from it as well.

I'm still scratching my head as to why the top mechanism isn't simply completely manual (like a Miata for example), rather than all the extra complexity involved with motors and solenoids, etc. There's seemingly so much more to go wrong or out of adjustment the way it was done. But then, I'm sure they had their reasons all those years ago. Hindsight is always perfect 20/20 isn't it? 8)
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Nice looking car! You found a nice one. They are getting harder and harder to find as the years go on, especially ones that are missing key parts.

Take care of her!
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PRINT THIS! I never ever wanna do this, again! :cry:

1. Turn down Sun Visors
2. Carefully and slowly rotate towards the rear view mirror, each of
the POT METAL (they snap off easily) the levers under the sun visors.
3. Once rotated - using open palms, gently place palms against long
horizontial black plastic finishing moulding (that the black handles
fit into, and psh upward to very slightly push the pins attached to
the roof that fit into the little holes atop the windshield moulding.
4. Now with motor running, AND EMERGENCY BRAKE pulled up (ON)
push the black button behind driver seat on driver side rear
quarter panel. I think you push the top part of that button . That
will send the big aluminum screw UP and outta its hole, centered
atop the FIBERGLAS tonneau cover. I made it in Caps so you do
not allow people to sit on it -- yes it will CRACK.
5. CAR MUST BE ON LEVEL SURFACE, or with the front of car higher than
the back, otherwise Tonneau CAN flip/fold the front edge downward
and the metal guides can puncture the small plastic rood windows.
With Tonneau fully opened, you grasp the roof about where driver's
head would be if he was in the car, and pull up and rearward at
the same time.
6. STOP when the front of the roof is pointing at the sky!
(Mid-Way) ~ Some cars do this by themselves, (my blue one) BUT
other so not do it, (my silver one) and YOU must do it !!! With roof mid-way, look
inside and you will see the metal bar that when the top is up.... it
right over your head. That bar PIVOTS. You must reach inside and
slightly pivot that bar, (like the bottom of the letter "U".)
Otherwise the stacked roof will NOT fit into the cavity under the
Tonneau.
7. Once pivoted GENTLY pull the roof material out from the metal bars
that look like a vertical "Z" on either side (where the "C" pillar
would be on a coupe.) I think it's called a scissors bar...
8. With bar pivoted, and roof padding & outter material pulled from roof
frame, you are ready to complete lowering roof into cavity.
9. There will be two small pieces of material poking up from the cavity.
Just gently tuck them in and then lower the front of the Tonneau
Cover so that it's in this direction / and side it forward so the Silver metal frontal "forks" glide into the two upside down
metal "U"s and then push down on the Tonneau to lock closed.

On 1989s & 1990s and a few 1988s, there is a button that you cannot see, on the back end of the emergency brake, when the brake is pulled up to engage, as the front of the brake handle is lifted, a button on the back end jts a metal plate that pushes that button in. Unless the brake is engaged, the tonneau will not pop open. Safety measure.


Mike, move this to a place where it can be referred to and it does not got lost.
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Damn you are FAST !!! AND tHANKS !!! :lol:
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Guys if you think your parts are expensive don't ever buy an exotic italian car. On my Ferrari Windshield is in the $1500 range. And the outer trim for it was $1150 about 10 years ago.
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That's awesome! Thanks, I printed out the checklist. Looking forward to giving it a try one of these days when old man winter finally throws in the towel for the season. Was told years ago never to put a convertible top down, especially one with plastic windows when it's below about 40-45 degrees out. Something about the material getting brittle plus contracting in the cold. Prefer not to tempt 'ole Murphy and his laws. Old wives tale or not... and as impatient as I am... I'll wait. 8)

P.S. I heard Ferrari alternators are 2 grand or more and the timing belt service which requires dropping the entire engine can run 10K+++~!! :shock::shock:
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That was the determining factor on my getting my Cobra. I had always wanted a 308GTSi QV (and still love the look of the 308/328s). It was slightly less expensive in purchase price but when I found out the cost of some routine services, on a 15 year old car mind you, compared to being able to work on a Ford motor myself - making the decision was suddenly simple. Now if money were no object the decision would have been when to drive which one.
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