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Number: 3807
From: "Sandy Block"
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Body Terms (was:Looking for info! ...)
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Re: [ASC McLaren ] Body Terms (was:Looking for info! ...)
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Wrong on those 1960s Lincolns. Their windows were frameless, but
there was a stationary "B" pillar on the inside. They did build two
(2) units as prototypes that were full REAL 4-Door Hardtops. A 4-
Door Hardtop is a car with frameless door glass & NO "B" PILLAR. The
last such car marketed in America was the 1978 Chrysler New Yorker
Brougham (actually an Imperial) and the 1978 Chrysler Newport Custom
and Newport 4-Dr. Hardtop. The Newport Custom was a rebadged former
New Yorker, while the Newport was a Newport.
S A N D Y-- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Tom G <speedracer815@y...> wrote:
> Following is my understanding of the various body
> style terms. English being a dynamic language I
> suppose definitions change over time, but I hate to
> see these definitions become more generic. Used
> properly they give us a very concise and accurate way
> to describe a vehicle.
>
> A "hardtop" is defined as having no "B" pillar. I
> think it's implied that it also must have a hard top.
> Most "hardtops" are two door cars. There have been
> four door "hardtops", such as the mid '60's Lincolns
> with suicide rear doors.
>
> Although I can find no supporting evidence, I have
> been told a two door car with a "B" pillar is a two
> door "sedan", not a "coupe". In fact, early GTO's can
> be found in both "coupe" (or "hardtop") and "sedan"
> body styles. By this standard our ASC/McLaren Coupes
> are not "coupes". For that matter, late model Mustang
> Coupes are actually two door "sedans".
>
> A convertible is a "convertible", not a "hardtop".
> Unless of course you affix a removable hard top, in
> which case it becomes a "hardtop". There are also some
> cars with retractible hard tops. I refer to those as
> "hardtop convertible" but that may not be the proper
> term.
>
> The term "roadster" is widely agreed to mean a two
> seat open top car. A few purists believe it only
> applies to cars without roll up windows, but two seat
> convertibles seem to be widely accepted. In the old
> days, if it had roll up windows it was a "drop head
> coupe"
>
> I always thought "limousine" specifically referred to
> a long wheelbase car with extra back seat room and a
> partition between front and rear. It drives me crazy
> to hear 15 passenger vans or small busses called
> limousines.
>
> BTW, I suppose we simply need to use the term
> "hatchback" for some of our cars.
>
> Sorry this got so long. Feel free to correct, argue,
> and/or enlighten.
>
> Tom G.
>
>
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