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From: "Sandy Block"
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003  5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem...

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Re: [ASC McLaren ] Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem...

It's my 1990 'Vert, Brent.
Yes, it's SIKKENS paint, over a base of Ford's stock 1990 Black.
Last Night, I put it under the street lights and looked it over.
Flawless continuity in color & metallics and I did both sides, moving
the car & turning it aound to view both sides under same light &
conditions.

S A N D Y


--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "SNP Marq" <infosyssec@i...> wrote:
> I believe that the problem with the paint jobs on the Fords was
related to three things... the interaction of
> a) the metal of the body parts
> b) the primer used by Ford
> c) the metalic particles used in the paint.
>
> Since McLaren's started off life as a Mustang / Capri, they would
have begun life with
> a) the metal of the body parts
> b) the primer used by Ford
> c) whatever color Ford initially painted them in
> d) McLaren sanding doing the body mods and sanding down the Ford
paint job to change to the McLaren paint job
> e) not sure how much 'priming' McLaren would have done but we have
to assume some was done
> f) repainting the car with the superior Sikkens paint
>
> I don't think I have ever read anywhere that a 'base' Ford or
Mercury began life as a silver. Sandy can correct me on this but
that rules out the original Ford silver paint job as being the
culprit.
>
> But possibly the botched Ford primer, mixed in with the later
McLaren body work, re-priming and subsequent painting may have been
somewhat involved in the same type of reaction that eventually got to
the Ford issued silver cars.
>
> In my earlier rush to pounce on the silver problems that Ford had,
I had mistakenly forgotten that the McLaren's weren't originally
painted in that botched up paint from Ford... hence nothing for the
McLaren to have its paint go all pimply over because of that
problem. Unless of course Sandy finds evidence of a Silver Ford LX
that was converted to a McLaren....
>
> Mea culpa
>
> Marq
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: negusm
> To: ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint
job problem...
>
>
> Does this apply to the ascMcLarens which used Sikkens paint? I
> thought the ascs (verts) were painted deffierently than normal
Fords.
>
> -Mike
>
>

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "SNP Marq" <infosyssec@i...>
wrote:
> > Oh... Sandy... you just said the 'magic word' - silver.
Ford /
> Mercury / Lincoln were NOTORIOUS for having the most defective
silver
> paint jobs of any automobile manufacturer.
> >
> > For some reason Ford simply could not get their 'silver' paint
jobs
> right. For example, we have a top of the line Marquis Brougham
with
> all the bells and whistles. Unfortunately it had a silver and
gray
> two two paint job... gray on the sides and silver on the top.
All
> the silver on the hood began disintegrating within a year and
within
> two years you could see the primer color appearing. Ford redid
the
> paint job for us because my father had visited the dealer within
the
> first year and documented his complaint with a registered
letter.
> The subsequent deterioration was accepted as Ford's fault.
> >
> > Not having learned his lesson, my father then went on to
purchase
> a 'silver' Thunderbird. Within a year the silver paint started
> degrading to the point where it was not only rough to the touch,
but
> as well it was starting to show the primer. Ford repainted
> that 'Bird'.
> >
> > From what I recall Ford actually sent a bulletin out to all
their
> dealerships concerning the historical problems they had with the
> silver 'argent' paint jobs. There apparently existed a 'hidden
> warranty' that covered those car owners that were the original
owners.
> >
> > So what you may be experiencing is the chemical breakdown of
> the 'silver' paint. Had your vehicle been in constant use and
> exposed to the sun the deterioration would have possibly raised
its
> ugly head. However, since your car has lead a pampered and
> protected life, it was only the oxidation that etched away at the
> paint.
> >
> > The combination of sun, oxidation and washing ( even with mild
> detergents ) would have brought about the famous 'looks like that
> silver car just drove through a sand storm' appearance that
> eventually fell other makes and models in the
Ford/Lincoln/Mercury
> family.
> >
> > Marq
> >
> >
> > From: Sandy Block
> > To: ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts
> >
> >
> > I put this car up on a lift, and searched underneath it.
Nowhere
> can
> > I find even a speck of paint spray (overspary). Not on the
> chassis
> > rails, gas tank or fender wells. No place. The color of the
car
> > (silver metallic) is uniform throughout, in all types of
light.
> > Sunlight, street light at night, under man made light and in
the
> > reflection of other headlights. The hood is satin smooth as
is
> the
> > front bumper fascia, the trunk lid and rear quarters. The
gritty
> > parts are 1/2 the passenger's door and 1/2 the driver's door
and
> both
> > front fenders. I would not take it to a body shop, because
> around
> > here they are all unattentive to perfection. The standard to
> which
> > they work is geared to in & out minimal acceptance on the
road
> > again "quality" ~ In order to get the kind of quality we are
> looking
> > for here, in this area (N.J.) one has to go to a "restoration
> shop" ~
> > which is financially our of the question. In the past, I more
or
> less
> > prided myself on being able to detect bodywork or repaint -
but
> this
> > one defies my ability. No overspray, perfect color all
around,
> no
> > sign of anything less than perfection, short of the feel to
the
> touch
> > of certain areas on the body.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "SNP Marq"
<infosyssec@i...>
> wrote:
> > > Oddly enough, my brother ordered a sparkling new 5.0 black
> coupe
> > back in 1988. At the time of the pre-inspection before
taking
> > possession he noted on the body what appeared to be an
occurence
> of
> > overspray which gave the front driver panel and part of the
> driver's
> > door a slightly sandy feeling to the paint finish... as
compared
> to
> > the slippery smooth finish on the rest of the car body.
> > >
> > > His first thoughts were that it may have been slightly
> scratched
> > during transit to the dealer and that they had 'attempted' to
> > camoflage the scratches.
> > >
> > > The body shop foreman was brought out to see what all the
> > hullabaloo was about. He agreed that the vehicle 'should'
have
> > never left the assembly line in that condition. But he also
> swore
> > up and down that his bodyshop had never been tasked with
> repairing
> > any scratches in transit on that specific car.
> > >
> > > The bodyshop foreman took the car to his shop and kept the
car
> for
> > a few days while they did eveeerry trick in the book to bring
the
> > finish on the fender and door up to the level of quality on
the
> rest
> > of the car.
> > >
> > > In the end they polished and coated that little black 5.0
so
> well
> > that the paint job on it TODAY is still as fresh and shiny as
the
> day
> > he picked up the car back in 88.
> > >
> > > But I guess the key to the story is that a 'new car' finish
> should
> > not be feeling feathery to the touch. The entire body when
new
> > should have a consistennnt smoothness at the time of first
> delivery...
> > >
> > > Marq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brent Abrams
> > > To: ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandy,
> > >
> > > >From your description, it sounds like paint overspray to
me
> from
> > a previous
> > > paint repair.
> > > Take it to a highly reputable body shop that you trust
and
> ask
> > them to wet
> > > sand it and buff it out for you, if it is a perfect color
> match
> > as you have
> > > said, then it should come out just fine.
> > > If you don't have any body shops that you trust, check
with
> the
> > local
> > > Corvette club(s), they are usually a good source for a
> quality
> > oriented body
> > > shop.
> > > When you find the body shop of choice, ask to speak with
the
> > manager or
> > > owner and show him some pictures of your cars and explain
to
> him
> > the
> > > condition that they are in and that you expect your car
to be
> > taken care of
> > > as if it was the shops first born child. If they don't
seem
> like
> > they care,
> > > then find another shop.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Brent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sandy Block" <cigarsandy@c...>
> > > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:19 PM
> > > Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts
> > >
> > >
> > > You bodywork pros, I got a ?? 4-U
> > > What does it mean if you find a car that looks 100%
perfect,
> say 2
> > > years old, and as you run your fingers down the sides,
much
> of the
> > > paintwork is smooth as silk, like a showroom car. Then,
> there's
> > are
> > > area that - while the paint is a perfect match - the feel
to
> the
> > > touch is "gritty" sorta like a finest sand paper one can
buy,
> I
> > think
> > > it's called #1. So, you apply a good quality wax and wax
it,
> > remove
> > > wax, and it's STILL gritty. Not REAL gritty, but alot
more
> than
> > the
> > > OTHER real satin-ee smooth.
> > >
> > > Dick. The Crossfire is really nice. I like them.
> Especially
> > that
> > > claret-red colored one. Will be a very hard car to sell
down
> the
> > > road, however. 1)Chrylser 2)Two Seater 3)not much
luggage
> space
> > 4)
> > > some say underpowered.
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