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Number: 4021
From: "capri_16t"
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:35 pm
Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Re: 85 Coupe Questions
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[ASC McLaren ] Re: 85 Coupe Questions
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Good to know Sandy. Thank you. I just thought ALL came with 3.08s.
Didn't realize it was an option. My 88 ASC has 3.08's, but didn't
realize it was standard at that time and not before. Everyday I
find something a little different on the 85s. My 85 also came with
an 85mph speedo. I know I read somewhere that most were suppose to
come with a b-303 cam, but I don't seem to hear the typcial duration
sound that i am use to hearing when a regular mustang changes their
stock grind to a B-303. My other 86 regular capri 5.0 with an E-303
sounds a lot more impressive than whatever this cam is. Is it
possible that mine is a regular stock 85 cam or I am expecting to
hear something out of a B-303 that really isn't there.....???? It
also amazes me that Ford would have put a B-303 cam in their since
the FORD intake cuts off breathing WAY before their own B-303 likes
to operate and a 2.73 gear isn't hardly enough for a B-303.... But
I have seen FORD do a lot more crazy things than that.... Give me
some more info SANDY.... :)Jason
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block" <cigarsandy@c...>
wrote:
> 1985's came with 2.73:1. The higher ratio was then a no-charge
> option, and became standard in the 1986's. (We're talkin' coupes
> here).
>
> S A N D Y
>
>
>
>
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "capri_16t" <capri_50@m...>
wrote:
> > Have an interesting question. I have an 85 Blue/orange capri.
> Door
> > sticker denotes axle code is 'M'. I thought 'M' is for 2.73's
> > and 'Z' was for 3.08's. Did the 3.08's not get installed in the
> > rear until later (before the decal was made) or is this one of
> those
> > MANY freak mistakes which I happen to have by FORD and/or
Mclaren.
> >
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > Sandy's Post #356 kind of describes it. There were no
documented
> > > options but it seems there were some undocumented ones on the
> last
> > > of the '85s.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm" <negusm@y...>
wrote:
> > > > Yeah, I pulled that out from an old posting. I think Sandy
> > > > clarified that actually some of the later 85's had some
options
> > > > added.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli
<jgemelli@o...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Maybe I misunderstand your chart but I think it's wrong on
> the
> > > > 85's as my
> > > > > Midnight blue coupe has
> > > > > Pop up sunroof, Power locks and a Remote hatch release in
the
> > > > glovebox.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "negusm" <negusm@y...>
> > > > > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:56 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Re: 85 Coupe Questions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well the following I gleaned from all the postings as I
went
> > > > > > through...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most of it is from sandy and I think it is fairly
> accurate.
> > It
> > > > > > hasn't been cleaned up and may be somewhat jumbled...but
> > here
> > > it
> > > > > > is...correct anything if it is wrong...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Coupe information:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mercury Capri Coupe GS, tagged with an ASC Mclaren body
tag
> > > and a
> > > > > > Ford code of D32 to
> > > > > > denote special order.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Standard Equipment:
> > > > > > These items were Extra in the Mustang GT, but Standard
in
> > ALL
> > > > Capri
> > > > > > RS (GS?) 5.0L cars, and therefore also in all
asc/McLaren
> > > Coupes,
> > > > > > from the Dearborn Assembly Plant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Power Windows
> > > > > > 2. Light Group
> > > > > > 3. Electric Rr. Defroster
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Items standard in the Mustang GT and Capri:
> > > > > > 1. Tinted Glass
> > > > > > 2. Tilt Steering Wheel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Options (From Ford) Installed ON LINE at Dearborn on OUR
> > > COUPES,
> > > > > > were:
> > > > > > 1985
> > > > > > NONE
> > > > > > 1986
> > > > > > Power Door Locks
> > > > > > Remote Hatch Release
> > > > > > Air Conditioning (Standard in 1985)
> > > > > > Speed Control
> > > > > > Pop-Up Sun Roof
> > > > > > T-Roof
> > > > > > Automatic Transmission
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All, except the Air Conditioning which was standard in
1985
> > > > > > (optional in 1986) were NOT available on 1985s. However,
> > very
> > > > near
> > > > > > the end of production of the 1985's asc/McLaren
> > added "Oxford
> > > > White"
> > > > > > as an alternative color choice to the "Midnight Navy-
Blue
> > > > Metallic",
> > > > > > and at that point, and only on the Oxford White cars,
they
> > > > allowed
> > > > > > the option of Power Door Locks/Remote Hatch release, and
> > Speed
> > > > > > Control.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NO 1985s had the Pop-Up Sun Roof, nor the T-Roof, nor
> > Automatic
> > > > > > Transmission. 1985s in Oxford White with Pwr. Locks &
> Speed
> > > > Control
> > > > > > are EXTREMELY rare, and I have only 2 on the asc/McLaren
> > > > > > International Registry, after keeping the Registry now
for
> > 16
> > > > years!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of the 1986's, just nine (9) were equipped with the
> Automatic
> > > > > > Transmission, and the Pop-Up Sun Roof was on around 20
> cars,
> > > > while
> > > > > > the T-Roof was on around 30 cars. Power Locks were on
> around
> > 55
> > > > > > cars. I have never found an '86 withOUT A/Cond. The
rarest
> > > combo
> > > > > > would have been an '86 in Platinum Silver Metallic with
> > Raven
> > > > Black
> > > > > > decals/logos/stripes, with a T-Roof, Pwr. Locks,
Automatic
> > > Trans.
> > > > > > However, no such car was built!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Engine Oddities in 1985:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Odd Sized Piston Rings...Normal ones are TRW Metric Some
> > > > > > Ford Mustang 1.5mm.-1.5mm-4mm oil ring
> > > > > > Mercury Capri 1/16-1/16-156mm oil ring
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some parts scribed with a P for PROTOTYPE by hand (Valve
> > > Guides,
> > > > > > Springs, etc).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Herewith are the actual alterations done to the MOTOR,
> > either
> > > by
> > > > > > Ford (F)
> > > > > > or by asc/McLaren (AM)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A) Upgrade Exhaust Header to Stainless Steel Internal
> > Mandrel
> > > > Bent
> > > > > > Incorporate Exhaust Port Liners Tuned With Lower
> Restriction
> > > > Exhaust.
> > > > > > B) Tuned Muffler To Reduce Back Pressure & Enhance
Exhaust
> > > Tone.
> > > > > > C) Replace Damper Units & Springs To Achieve Better
> > Cornering
> > > & A
> > > > > > Softer
> > > > > > Ride than The TRX System.
> > > > > > D) Modify Camber Of Vehicle Front & Rear To Maximize
> > > Performance
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Upgraded
> > > > > > Tire/Wheel Combination. Requires New Wheel Alignment.
> > > > > > E) Increase Suspension Bushing Durometer.
> > > > > > F) Revise Power Steering To Give More Feedback
Sensitivity
> > > > > > G) Change Shift Linkage To Shorten Throw & Give A
Tighter
> > Feel
> > > on
> > > > > > 1984 & 1985
> > > > > > cars as well 5-Speed Manual 1986 cars.
> > > > > > H) Tires: Upgraded To P225x50:15" From P225x60:15" Hi
> > > > Performance To
> > > > > > Maximize
> > > > > > Handling & Ride Quality & Enhance Lowered Effect Of
Vehicle
> > > B.F.
> > > > > > Goodrich
> > > > > > "Comp T/A"
> > > > > > I) Replace Valve Springs & Rocker Arms To Increase
Usable
> > Rev.
> > > > Limit
> > > > > > to 7,000 R.P.M.
> > > > > > J) B-303 Ford MotorSport Hi-Po Cam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Radios
> > > > > > The Speakers in the front were stock Ford
> > > > > > The 2 in the hatch were Kenwood.
> > > > > > They were housed in a rectangle flat black housing with
the
> > > name
> > > > > > KENWOOD stamped
> > > > > > in the top part of the framework.
> > > > > > The stereo in the 1984 & 1985 was by Kenwood.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ground Effects
> > > > > > You do not need a fog light bar. I would think the
> > directions
> > > > would
> > > > > > point out that
> > > > > > you need to remove and not reuse a stock fog light bar
in
> > > order
> > > > to
> > > > > > install the
> > > > > > airdam. My '85 just had the screws going into some nut-
> serts
> > > into
> > > > > > the urethane.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Front Nose was originally a GS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rear End
> > > > > > 3.08:1 Axle Upgrade over 2.73:1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Light Group" which was an
> > > > > > option (order code 934) on the Capri in 1984.
> > > > > > The "Light Group" includes:
> > > > > > Third-door courtesy light switch
> > > > > > Ashtray light (front)
> > > > > > Glove box light
> > > > > > Dual-beam dome lamp
> > > > > > Engine compartment light
> > > > > > Headlamps-on warning buzzer
> > > > > > Locking fuel filler door w/remote release
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In 1985 the "Light Group" became standard equipment and
> this
> > > > carried
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > to 1986 as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Light Covers
> > > > > > They were made by a vacuum
> > > > > > formed machine, from clear lexan plastic. They have 2
holes
> > on
> > > > top
> > > > > > that small screws go thru, and down into the plastic
frame
> > of
> > > the
> > > > > > headlights. On the bottom of them is supposed to be two
> tabs
> > of
> > > > > > velcro that "hook up" to two receiving tabs of oppisite
> > velcro,
> > > > > > stuck
> > > > > > to the top of the bumper cover, but out of sight as they
> are
> > > > under
> > > > > > the headlamps. If properly installed, they do not leak.
The
> > > > > > taillampcovers, on the other hand, do occassionaly leak
> > > moisture.
> > > > > > NEVER remove the taillight covers to clean! Changes of
> > > breaking
> > > > them
> > > > > > in the re-install are like 85% !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wheels
> > > > > > 225/60 15" wheels and 25.63 total height top to bottom
with
> > > tire.
> > > > > > <==Help to calc speedo gear.
> > > > > > 225/50 15" wheels and 23.90 <===These are the correct
tires.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block"
> > > > <cigarsandy@c...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Oh, Also.......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Springs were designed by McLaren, and were purpose
built
> > to
> > > > spec.
> > > > > > > Shocks were by Carerra in Georgia. 50/50 Shocks, the
> OEMs
> > > were
> > > > > > > either WHITE or GOLD exterior casing. They are still
> > > > available &
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > have the part numbers if anyone needs them.
> > > > > > > Air Horn by Fila ('Ya the sportswear Mfg'r.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Tom G
> > <speedracer815@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm curious about the alterations made to the
coupes.
> > I've
> > > > seen
> > > > > > > ASC's sales "brochure" and it really doesn't say
anything
> > > about
> > > > > > > performance modifications.
> > > > > > > > I understand they were DSO'd with the B303 cam. Any
> > other
> > > > engine
> > > > > > > changes?
> > > > > > > > I also know springs and shocks were different, but
does
> > > > anyone
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > the actual spring rates?
> > > > > > > > As an aside, I'm constantly amazed at the depth of
> > Sandy's
> > > > > > > knowledge. Sandy, were you an ASC employee during that
> > > period?
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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