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Kentennis · Post by **Kentennis** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:54 pm

I injured my back in 1995. I had a CT Scan every month or 2 for a couple years. I used to fall asleep to the rhythmic noise it makes.

And without the CT scans my wife would probably be dead now.

I really don't see why they even bother with X-rays anymore.

Sandy · Post by **Sandy** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:43 pm

I think X-Rays are for broken bones. Not sure if Cat Scans can detect that.

I was In & Out, today, with my Scan. Place was empty, no waiting. Took me longer to drive there (18 minutes) than I was actually there. On Dedember 6th I will get the report.

75coug · Post by **75coug** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:06 pm

Kentennis wrote:I really don't see why they even bother with X-rays anymore.

X-rays costs thousands of dollars less than CT scans.

Kentennis · Post by **Kentennis** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:50 pm

I know. It's part of the 'managed for profit' health care system we have in this country.

My wife was ill. X-ray showed nothing. Sonogram showed nothing. The CT Scan showed a kidney totally blocked, a blood test revealed a staph infection in the kidney and within 4 hours she was in surgery and ICU. The Dr. said 1 more day would have been too late for her.

A Uric acid stone does not show up on X-ray or sound. Only a CT scan.

75coug · Post by **75coug** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:45 pm

Kentennis wrote:I know. It's part of the 'managed for profit' health care system we have in this country.

My wife was ill. X-ray showed nothing. Sonogram showed nothing. The CT Scan showed a kidney totally blocked, a blood test revealed a staph infection in the kidney and within 4 hours she was in surgery and ICU. The Dr. said 1 more day would have been too late for her.

A Uric acid stone does not show up on X-ray or sound. Only a CT scan.

With what part of the process did you disagree? Try an X-ray first, and if it does not show anything, try another type of scan and so forth. It makes a lot more sense than giving every patient a $5000 CT scan right off the bat.

Kentennis · Post by **Kentennis** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:16 am

This 'problem' existed for a YEAR!!! It wasn't something that just pooped up. The seriousness of it finally called for a CT scan. If a person is experiencing abdominable pain, for a prolonged period, the CT scan shows 1,000% MORE than any Xray ever will. The more CT scans are used, the less they cost. And the cost is no where near $5,000.00.

For crying out loud LIVES are at stake when there is continuing abdominal pain.

My point is: The health care industry has evolved into the most profitable enterprise in America today. Americans deserve better than the 'Managed for Profit' system. Get rid of the 'for profits and go to real National Health care for everyone. The system we have now sucks. And the Obama care is only going to profit the scum running the health care for profit only, not caring at all about human lives nor suffering. Preventative medicine is far cheaper than 'corrective medicine.'

After WW2, there was really only 1 health care plan. Everyone had Blue Cross/Blue Shield. It was low cost and provided great care because PROFIT wasn't the main motive. Healthcare was. We need to return to non-profit health care NOW!

avmtdan · Post by **avmtdan** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:59 am

Funny I keep seeing this after WW2. After WW2 a heart attack would kill you, an appendix surgery would kill you, hell polio would kill you. Funny how you want this health care to be free rather than paying for the expensive machines and procedures now in place. Everything should be "for profit", stop whining that it costs $400 a month to ensure that there are all these wonderful machines to make our lives easier. The only thing this new healthcare plan that was forcibly shoved up our butts by people who did not take the time to even read the document did was put another 30 million people on an already over burdened system, create 16000 more positions in the IRS, cost every tax payer an additional $4500 per year regardless of ability and desire to pay, and add -----0000000000----- new doctors while ensuring that we enslave our medical professionals by telling them that they arent worth what they are charging by cutting what the new plan is willing to pay them.

What about property rights here? By what right do you go into your neighbors house and take his property? The new increase in health care costs that has been created NOT by the insurance industry but by our own government is a slap in the face to what this country is or how it was founded. It is a looter mentality when you point your finger at someone else and say let them pay for my needs. You want to be irrational, fine create your own damn insurance company and give away services, see how long anything in this country lasts without making a profit. Nothing in this world exists or continues without making a profit. If you are planting crops, and you put more seed in the ground then you harvest months later what happens next year when you have no seed? There is nothing in the business world nor the real world that can sustain itself on the idea that it is free, and given to everyone.

This new program was created by a group of people who exempted themselves from participating in or for paying for it, who did not do as much as read what it entails, and was signed into law by a guy that smokes.

I do agree with you that a CT scan should have been given sooner, but even then it was no guarantee that they would interpret the results. I almost died because of appendicitis two years ago, because some doctor who had the tools at his disposal did not know how to interpret the scan results, they sent me home saying that I had an ulcer, and called me back in 12 hours later after I was hopped up on pain killers and couldnt tell it was about to rupture. I will never go to that doctor or hospital again unless I am bleeding to death and laying in the road in front of it because of that. Watch what happens when EVERYONE is now going to the doctor and the hospitals aren't getting paid, watch what happens when no one spends 200K on medical school so that they can earn whatever the public system says they are worth. Enjoy the results when the hospitals shut down because they can't pay the light bill because they are obligated to take patients in for procedures that won't save them but they must perform with no hope of re-cooping costs involved.

Post by **negusm** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:40 am

Insurance can't be for profit. For profit insurance simply motivates insurers to cover only healthy people who won't make a claim and kick out sick people who cost them money. It's a terribly broken model.

If you can come up with a model where profit becomes an incentive to make people well again, that would be the most efficient system. No one has figured it out though.

-Mike

Kentennis · Post by **Kentennis** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:38 pm

We, as a nation, spend 50% more, per person than any other country, for health care. We are ranked way lower than any other country for life expectancy, birth survival rates and that's the BEST we can do? Spend more, live less?

With a single payer, non-profit system, that may not have happened.

And I don't care about 'lost jobs.' With 2000 'for profit health insurance companies there surely is a lot of duplication. Health care PROCESSORS, not healthcare providers. Reduce the Dr.'s office staff since he/she won't have to deal with many companies, reduce the processers and put more of that money toward healthcare and research. Be less dependent on the government for health research. The insurance companies are not the ones that came up with the many advances since WW2. The Dr.'s themselves did, thru research.

Post by **negusm** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:28 pm

Kentennis wrote: With a single payer, non-profit system, that may not have happened.

Problem is we have smart people in this country that are very good at fleecing the government (and as a result the taxpayers). Look at how much Medicare is fleeced by companies who know how to suck every last dollar out of it.

-Mike

Kentennis · Post by **Kentennis** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:50 pm

Yeah Mike,

And the OTHER idiots, in Florida elected one of them Governor!!

Biggest fine ever for health care fraud and invoked the 5th amendment over 70 times in front of a Federal Grand Jury and his 'hands are clean.' He didn't know what was going on in his own company.

What a crock, and now we have a known thief as governor. But I guess it's okay because they only stole from the 'government'. Doesn't affect you or I. Or any other taxpayer!