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From: cigarsandy
Date: Sun Aug 25, 2002  3:07 pm
Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Re: color change

Body:
Waht a fabulous answer! I bow my head to you, Marq! A short novel,
indeed, but you are 100% correct! Your explanation is wonderful, and
complete. The old "I wish I had said that" !! I am going to print
that & keep it! If I ever use it - I will give you full credit!
It's simply wonderful.
That said, I bought my wife, in 1990 a 1988 6,000 mile 1988 flawless,
perfect showroom condition Mary Kay Pink (actually Mountain Laurel)
Sedan deVille with cranberry red fabric interior. I dressed it up
with Vogue WW Tires & Appliance Wire Wheels and added a Cadillac
Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel, and a Power Sun Roof. The car was a
head turner & we both got constant Thumbs-up on it. She wanted this,
because in 1986 I bouight me a 1986 Lincoln Mark 7 and ordered it in
factory special order paint color. I ordered the 1959 Ford
Thinderbird "Flamingo Pink" with Deep Maroon Leather interior. I
took it to sjhows & overall won 3 first place & 2 second place
trophys. No matter where it went it garnered attention and
compliments. I received a letter from Ford stating it was the only
Mark 7 ever made in 1959 T-Bird Flamingo Pink! I sold BOTH cars in
1991 to the Vice President of H.J. Heinz (Pickles & Ketchip) in
Pittsburg, Pa. He has a collection of Pink & Lilac cars!!

I had to laugh that you mentioned BOTH Flamingo Pink AND Mary Kay
Pink in your answer!!! (and I had BOTH and at the same time, for a
brief period in history)!!!

S A N D Y

--- In ascmclaren@y..., Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:
> On the topic of changing colors of cars and their respective value
after... I would probably
> suspect that there are two answers to this question :
>
> A negative drop of 75% in value may occur when we are discussing
a 'trailer queen' or ultra low
> mileage McLaren that has changed from its original color to an
alternative color ( even if it is
> only a variation of the original color ). In this instance the
trailer queen or ultra low mileage
> McLaren is being sold prospectively to someone that is going to be
most interested in either a
> 'concours' quality car ( and hence the dire need to ensure the
originality of all components and
> color of the vehicle ) or a car that adheres to all the original
items that the car was issued
> from the 'factory' with.
>
> On the other hand... if you are talking about high mileage
McLarens, they have already loss a
> great deal of their base value simply because of the mileage. In
fact if the vehicle is past the
> magical 99,000 mile mark it really doesn't matter if you paint the
car flamingo pink... the
> mileage will be the factor that is held against the car. Although
by putting a lovely and
> tasteful paint job on to the car will help you recover some of your
investment, it is not a
> sure-fire expenditure.
>
> In some cases a quality paint job for a McLaren will run you $2500
to $3600. A review of recent
> auctions on eBay will show that a number of high miler McLaren's
could not elicit bids from the
> eBay'ers higher then $5k to $6k. In the case of a $5000 McLaren
that sports a fresh $3600 paint
> job... you are basically talking money lost.
>
> In the case of the infamous McLaren ' road pigs ' ( of which I am a
proud owner ) it really
> doesn't matter what color your McLaren is... there is little that
will hurt the value of the car
> as it started originally from zero value. In the case of my
McLaren 'road pig' the car was
> basically a write-off worthy of adorning a wrecking yard for
parts. So each and every upgrade or
> improvement that I make to the vehicle helps to restore some of the
value to the car.
>
> The question of color is one that I have also been fighting with
myself about these last two
> months. I have rebuilt the entire body and gotten the car up to
the primer paint stage. Now I
> face the undaunting task of picking the color that will adorn this
restored 'road pig' when I take
> it in to the body shop for the final painting.
>
> According to Sandy, my McLaren was a 'McLaren Red' to start its'
life. Somewhere during it's
> obscene history the car was painted with spray cans of black
paint. Now that the hood, nose,
> rear valance, doors etc have all been replaced I face the spectrum
of colors to use to complete
> the restoration of this car from the village of the damned to the
land of the living.
>
> I already have a red cobra and I thought having two red 'stangs' in
my driveway might look odd.
> My GTA is done in a nice sandstone metallic taupe - which was stock
issue for 84. The color that
> caught my personal fancy for this little McLaren was the current
Mustang issued color of Mineral
> Gray. As the car has a restored gray leather interior I thought
the current Ford Mustang Mineral
> Gray would work nicely with the body lines of the McLaren to help
confuse other motorist as to
> exactly what it was that they were seeing when I wheeled by.
>
> What I have found is that certain colors on the McLaren make it
look like a Mustang no matter how
> you try to persuade people it isn't. This primarily holds true to
the basic colors of black and
> red - as those colors harden the look of the lines on the cars and
make it easy for strangers to
> visually identify the car.
>
> Yet there are other colors that confuse peoples eyes and make them
do a double take to try to
> register what it was they think they just saw. In the instance of
my leaning towards the Mineral
> Gray color, I find that light reflecting off the car diffuses the
body lines of the car and gives
> off different auras of shading based on how the light is striking
the vehicle. This diffraction
> of color helps to confuse peoples eyes and makes them have to work
harder to visually identify the
> car they are looking at. You could compare this to the use of
sharp angles on the stealth
> aircraft being used to confuse radar that cannot discern the shape
of the aircraft because of the
> way the radar signal is bouncing off the plane.
>
> All that having been said... if you have a trailer queen that is
in immacualate condition ( ready
> for a concours against Sandy's 1200 mile car ) then by all means
stay as original as possible.
> Can you imagine the drop in value of Sandy's virgin child if he
suddenly got the urge to paint the
> car in Viper Competition Yellow or that horrible shade of pink that
the Mary Kay cosmetic people
> use to paint the cars they awarded their distributors. Although I
am sure Sandy would spend top
> dollar for such a paint job - the end result would be that it was
no longer a virgin child - and
> hence no longer appeal to the kind of purchaser who is willing to
pay top dollar for such a
> vehicle. That is not to say however that by some fluke there just
might be some car buff with
> extra dollars who would be willing to pay a premium dollar for a
Viper Yellow McLaren with 1200
> miles on it - but those buyers are few and farther between then the
purchaser who would be seeking
> an 'original' mint condition car.
>
> But if your vehicle is a high miler... go with the color that suits
your fancy. It's value was
> already lost when you hit the 99,000 mile mark. But do keep it a
tasteful color, because a
> screaming hot orange or Mary Kay pink is doing a disservice to what
value you may have left in the
> car.
>
> If your McLaren is in the 20,000 to 60,000 mile range, and still is
original without modifications
> then you are probably best off to maintain your original factory
issued paint color. You can
> best imagine your car is sitting on the edge of the fence at this
point where the mileage and
> originality of the vehicle can only be strengthened by holding to
the original color.
>
> If your McLaren is a heavily modified - no longer essentially stock
McLaren - then mileage no
> longer matters and neither should the color - you should be free to
choose an alternative color.
> At this point, with a tricked out engine, interior modifications,
heavy modifications to the
> suspension etc, the vehicle is too far away from being a stock
McLaren to worry about what color
> the car is. People are either going to buy your car for the
performance enhancements or they are
> not going to be interested at all in it because it lacks
originality.
>
> So as you can see, in my humble opinion the paths we choose when
trying to decide what to do with
> a paint job on a McLaren require you to look at a number of
factors. Fortunately, having a '
> road pig ' allows me the option to pick the color that I think will
best flatter the look of my
> McLaren when it is done. My theory is this : Possibly if this
color had been available back
> in 1988 the McLaren boyz might have used it themselves... ;)
>
> Yet, if I was sitting with an ultra low miler McLaren then my hands
would be tied and I would
> stick with the original color of the car to maintain its
originality and value.
>
> Hope this diatribe helps give you some additional thoughts on the
topic of color for McLarens.
>
> Marq
>
>
>
> --- cigarsandy <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Only about 75% towards the negative, that's all!
> >
> > S A N D Y
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@y..., ascmclaren1986 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > If I change the color of my 86 SC from the stock white to
another
> > > color will it affect the value of the car?
> > > WAYNE
> >
> >
>
>
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