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From: "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003  5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert

Body:
Have you found out where these "E" cars were originally headed for?
The old Mustangs have a "DSO" code which kind of gave the area of the
country where the cars were headed.

Maybe the "E" cars were headed for a bankrupt dealership or something
weird.

More pointless wondering...

-Mike



--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>"
<cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> Nope!
> Lines like: "OVERSTOCKED" "FORCED TO TAKE EXTRA CARS" "FACTORY
> CLEARANCE" are all hype to hook-in buyers. Every single car on any
> dealer's lot was in fact ORDERED by him, bar none!! Likewise, NOT
> ONE CAR on his lot, was NOT ordered by him. Cars are built under 1
> of 3 codes:-
> A= Dealer Inventory unit
> B= Sold Unit, Retail Customer waiting
> C= Sold Unit, Fleet Customer waiting.
>
> Factories do NOT build "unwanted" cars, just to keep the presses
> going, as is said. Storage problems, for one.
>
>
>
>
>

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm <negusm@y...>"
> <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > Well, some Vins wouldn't be slotted for any dealer at all, would
> > they? Maybe some Capris with the E just got yanked at the last
> > minute for ASC. I thought car companies built some cars and just
> > distributed them without having specific dealer orders. I often
> > hear dealers say that they "had to take at least one of this
model"
> > from the car maker even if they didn't want it. Maybe Ford had
> > extra Capris that no dealers wanted and just sent them to ASC
when
> > they fit the bill.
> >
> > Just idle thinking...
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block
<cigarsandy@c...>"
> > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> > > I can partially explain the "H" and the "E" in the 3rd
posistion
> > of
> > > the VIN. However, I hate to go into it, as I cannot explain it
> > > fully, as I never was able to learn from asc the full story. I
> > will
> > > tell as much as I do know. 1mEbp was the normal prefix of a
1984-
> > > 1986 Mercury Capri. 1mHbp was a unique prefix, denoting
> > > an "Incomplete Vehicle" ~ Many of these '84-'86 2-Seat
> Roadsters
> > > have a decal (or tag) on the driver's side door post that tells
> > that
> > > it was in fact an incomplete vehicle. That is not unusual for
a
> > > vehicle that is going to a conversion company. Most Cadillac
> > > deVilles that are built under a coachbulder code, also carry
> > > a "different" VIN prefix. Now, as I understood it some Capris
> > were
> > > made under the 1mHbp code as an incomplete car for the purpose
of
> > > becoming a 2-seat roadster at ascMcLaren. Other cars (1mEbp)
> were
> > > plucked off the assembly line, at completion of normal
assembly,
> > and
> > > sent to ascMcLaren to become these cars.
> > > However, it doesn't add up for this reason. No car "just gets
> > built"
> > > ~~ at the other end is an awaiting dealer who has ordered THAT
> car
> > > either for his inventory (stock) or for a waiting customer.
So,
> > what
> > > happened to a dealer whose car got plucked off the line to go
to
> > asc?
> > > Was he not mad at the loss of his car??? I know I am correct
on
> > the
> > > 1mEbp & the 1mHbp but I cannot understand why the were not ALL
> > made
> > > under 1mHbp, as they should have been. Two products,
identical,
> > > being made under two different VINS....there's more here going
> on,
> > > but I could never find out.
> > >
> > > S A N D Y
> > >
> > >
> > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "gemellifamily
> <jgemelli@o...>"
> > > <jgemelli@o...> wrote:
> > > > In any event that looks like a real nice asc!
> > > >
> > > > One funny thing is that I thought all convertibles vin's were
> > 1MHBP
> > > > to start out. I know mine is and my insurance company goes
> > crazy
> > > > about it. (I spent 10 minutes arguing with a girl over who's
> > > right,
> > > > me or her computer)
> > > >
> > > > I always wanted those spoilers on the vert. Never did it
> though
> > as
> > > I
> > > > left the body dead stock. With just 19K on the clock I can't
> > > really
> > > > beleive that it's not.
> > > >
> > > > OH and his wood looks just like mine. (guessing it's from
the
> > same
> > > > production period.) Stock kenwood radio surronded by wood!
> > > >
> > > > Safe driving!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
<todd_smith@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > good job, Sandy! Thanks for the effort. I hope he pulls
> > through.
> > > > > "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...>
wrote:One
> > > man's
> > > > Bull Sh## can oft be another man's problem.
> > > > > Anyhow, as I said, I sent a nice e-mail to the seller.
> > > > > I said, "The front of the car doesn't look like any Mustang
I
> > > ever
> > > > > saw. Are you absolutely sure that it is a Mustang? If so,
> > I'll
> > > > bid"
> > > > >
> > > > > That should see if he's willing to clear the air ! I'll
post
> > > > > immediately after I hear back from him. He will return on
> > Monday
> > > > the
> > > > > 3rd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
> <todd_smith@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, friend, I can understand your example of a
spoiler.
> > If
> > > I'm
> > > > a
> > > > > thousand miles away, maybe I can't tell the difference. I
> > don't
> > > > > think it applies to a car. To transfer a car, one must
> > transfer
> > > a
> > > > > title. The documentation required will create full
> disclosure
> > at
> > > > > some point. Nobody is going to be duped in this
procedure.
> > At
> > > > > worst, someone might be inconvenienced. Even that is not
> very
> > > > > likely.
> > > > > > I could be wrong, but I anticipate that the seller will
> > explain
> > > > the
> > > > > details to each caller. It will come up in the process, so
> why
> > > risk
> > > > > blowing a deal. It would not make sense. I agree with the
> > > seller
> > > > in
> > > > > explaining it to the mass market in terms they will
> > understand,
> > > as
> > > > > long as he is forthright in the explanation with callers.
I
> > also
> > > > > agree with you that it would have been better if he had
> > > > > differentiated in the body copy of the ad. Maybe ebay
would
> > have
> > > > > barred the ad, though.
> > > > > > I tried to find the ad, but could not. I found the 88,
but
> > not
> > > > the
> > > > > 85. Oh well, much ado about nothing. Otherwise, thank you
> > for
> > > all
> > > > > your good posts. I enjoy this board very much. Pardon my
> > > > > contentiousness, but I rail at people who want to sue about
> > > > bullshit
> > > > > stuff. Anyway, take care and I'll look forward to more of
> > your
> > > > great
> > > > > posts.
> > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:If I sell to you a
> > > genuine
> > > > > McLaren spoiler for $300 and you find out later that it was
> > not a
> > > > > > McLaren spoiler at all that you purchased, but in fact a
> > > standard
> > > > > issue $129 Mustang spoiler..
> > > > > > would you not try to either return the goods and get a
> > refund
> > > or
> > > > > would you silently accept the
> > > > > > fact that you paid a higher then market price because you
> > were
> > > > lead
> > > > > to believe the item was a rare
> > > > > > and limited McLaren spoiler. No one likes to be made a
> > sucker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Misrepresentation of merchandise is unfortunately an all
> too
> > > > common
> > > > > occurence in our society, that
> > > > > > attempts to take advantage of the uninformed. The laws
are
> > > there
> > > > > to protect the consumer when a
> > > > > > swindle takes place.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With eBay the purchaser is usually purchasing the vehicle
> at
> > a
> > > > > distance from the car itself. They
> > > > > > take the information provided in the auction description
as
> > > being
> > > > > something that they can base
> > > > > > their opinion on whether to bid or not to bid on a
> vehicle.
> > > They
> > > > > do not have the opportunity to
> > > > > > visit the vehicle or in that case examine the vehicle's
> > > > > registration papers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Similarly, not all people out there are 'hip' to the fact
> > that
> > > > > there are 'Capri' models and
> > > > > > 'Mustang' models. We can just chalk them up to the ill-
> > > informed
> > > > > part of society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The misrepresentation of a vehicle, as being a Ford
Mustang
> > as
> > > > > compared to a Mercury Capri,
> > > > > > without any further clarification in the ad rectifying
> > > > > the 'similarity' of the vehicle, hopes to
> > > > > > deceive the uninformed who are not necessarily aware that
> > there
> > > > > were 'Capri' models as compared to
> > > > > > 'Mustang' models.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So yes, it is very possible that a purchaser of that
> vehicle
> > > may
> > > > be
> > > > > falsely mislead into believing
> > > > > > he has purchased a 'Mustang'. And although he may be
very
> > > > thrilled
> > > > > to learn that his purchase
> > > > > > turns out to in fact be a 'Capri' it is not what he
> > negotiated
> > > or
> > > > > purchased.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So the bottom line to this tale is not to advocate
> > litigation,
> > > > but
> > > > > to wonder why some of these
> > > > > > advertisers clearly persist in falsely representing the
> > > vehicles
> > > > as
> > > > > Mustangs when they are Capris.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marq
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sue? are you an attorney? please sir, we don't need
> > another
> > > > > frivolous movement of idiocy
> > > > > > > clogging our courts. this mornings thread is much ado
> > about
> > > > > nothing. someone is trying to
> > > > > > > bring their car to market and help the uneducated
public
> > > reach
> > > > it
> > > > > to consider it. nobody is
> > > > > > > going to go away from the final transaction not knowing
> > what
> > > > they
> > > > > got. furthermore, the
> > > > > > > resultant buyer will probably be grateful that they wer
> > able
> > > to
> > > > > find such a nice car and we will
> > > > > > > all benefit by higher market prices for our cars.
> > > > > > > todd, 84 #2
> > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:I think the sad
> > point
> > > in
> > > > > this advert is that it is
> > > > > > > supposedly a representative of a 'Collector'
> > > > > > > who is selling this car off... Surely a 'collector'
> > wouldn't
> > > > have
> > > > > mislead his 'agent' by telling
> > > > > > > him " This Low Mileage Convertible Ford Mustang
McClaren
> > is
> > > > being
> > > > > sold from a Car Collectors
> > > > > > > Private Collection.. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I think the lesson we have seen over the past while
> is
> > > that
> > > > > to command the bucks you have to
> > > > > > > tell the audience that the car is a Mustang to catch
> their
> > > > > attention. Then you can explain it
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > them afterwards that ' it is really a McLaren Mercury
> > Capri -
> > > > but
> > > > > they are almost identical to a
> > > > > > > McLaren Ford Mustang... :) Hmmmm... almost a bit of a
> > bait
> > > > and
> > > > > switch eh ? Maybe one of these
> > > > > > > buyers should sue them after they buy it when it turns
> out
> > > that
> > > > > it wasn't a McLaren Ford Mustang
> > > > > > > that they were sold...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marq
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2401350413&category=6236
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yet another seller claiming its a Mustang.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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