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From: "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003  9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert

Body:
No, I have seen many SC 2-Seat Roadsters with the "E" in the 3rd
place holder.


--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...> wrote:
> The "E" cars were the normal capri's and the McLaren coups. Seems
they were
> simply cars that were mostly completed at the factory before
conversion.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <negusm@y...>
> To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert
>
>
> > Have you found out where these "E" cars were originally headed
for?
> > The old Mustangs have a "DSO" code which kind of gave the area of
the
> > country where the cars were headed.
> >
> > Maybe the "E" cars were headed for a bankrupt dealership or
something
> > weird.
> >
> > More pointless wondering...
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>"
> > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> > > Nope!
> > > Lines like: "OVERSTOCKED" "FORCED TO TAKE EXTRA
CARS" "FACTORY
> > > CLEARANCE" are all hype to hook-in buyers. Every single car on
any
> > > dealer's lot was in fact ORDERED by him, bar none!! Likewise,
NOT
> > > ONE CAR on his lot, was NOT ordered by him. Cars are built
under 1
> > > of 3 codes:-
> > > A= Dealer Inventory unit
> > > B= Sold Unit, Retail Customer waiting
> > > C= Sold Unit, Fleet Customer waiting.
> > >
> > > Factories do NOT build "unwanted" cars, just to keep the presses
> > > going, as is said. Storage problems, for one.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm <negusm@y...>"
> > > <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > > Well, some Vins wouldn't be slotted for any dealer at all,
would
> > > > they? Maybe some Capris with the E just got yanked at the
last
> > > > minute for ASC. I thought car companies built some cars and
just
> > > > distributed them without having specific dealer orders. I
often
> > > > hear dealers say that they "had to take at least one of this
> > model"
> > > > from the car maker even if they didn't want it. Maybe Ford
had
> > > > extra Capris that no dealers wanted and just sent them to ASC
> > when
> > > > they fit the bill.
> > > >
> > > > Just idle thinking...
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block
> > <cigarsandy@c...>"
> > > > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> > > > > I can partially explain the "H" and the "E" in the 3rd
> > posistion
> > > > of
> > > > > the VIN. However, I hate to go into it, as I cannot
explain it
> > > > > fully, as I never was able to learn from asc the full
story. I
> > > > will
> > > > > tell as much as I do know. 1mEbp was the normal prefix of a
> > 1984-
> > > > > 1986 Mercury Capri. 1mHbp was a unique prefix, denoting
> > > > > an "Incomplete Vehicle" ~ Many of these '84-'86 2-Seat
> > > Roadsters
> > > > > have a decal (or tag) on the driver's side door post that
tells
> > > > that
> > > > > it was in fact an incomplete vehicle. That is not unusual
for
> > a
> > > > > vehicle that is going to a conversion company. Most
Cadillac
> > > > > deVilles that are built under a coachbulder code, also carry
> > > > > a "different" VIN prefix. Now, as I understood it some
Capris
> > > > were
> > > > > made under the 1mHbp code as an incomplete car for the
purpose
> > of
> > > > > becoming a 2-seat roadster at ascMcLaren. Other cars
(1mEbp)
> > > were
> > > > > plucked off the assembly line, at completion of normal
> > assembly,
> > > > and
> > > > > sent to ascMcLaren to become these cars.
> > > > > However, it doesn't add up for this reason. No car "just
gets
> > > > built"
> > > > > ~~ at the other end is an awaiting dealer who has ordered
THAT
> > > car
> > > > > either for his inventory (stock) or for a waiting customer.
> > So,
> > > > what
> > > > > happened to a dealer whose car got plucked off the line to
go
> > to
> > > > asc?
> > > > > Was he not mad at the loss of his car??? I know I am
correct
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > 1mEbp & the 1mHbp but I cannot understand why the were not
ALL
> > > > made
> > > > > under 1mHbp, as they should have been. Two products,
> > identical,
> > > > > being made under two different VINS....there's more here
going
> > > on,
> > > > > but I could never find out.
> > > > >
> > > > > S A N D Y
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "gemellifamily
> > > <jgemelli@o...>"
> > > > > <jgemelli@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > In any event that looks like a real nice asc!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One funny thing is that I thought all convertibles vin's
were
> > > > 1MHBP
> > > > > > to start out. I know mine is and my insurance company
goes
> > > > crazy
> > > > > > about it. (I spent 10 minutes arguing with a girl over
who's
> > > > > right,
> > > > > > me or her computer)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always wanted those spoilers on the vert. Never did it
> > > though
> > > > as
> > > > > I
> > > > > > left the body dead stock. With just 19K on the clock I
can't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > beleive that it's not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OH and his wood looks just like mine. (guessing it's from
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > production period.) Stock kenwood radio surronded by
wood!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Safe driving!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
> > <todd_smith@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > good job, Sandy! Thanks for the effort. I hope he
pulls
> > > > through.
> > > > > > > "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...>
> > wrote:One
> > > > > man's
> > > > > > Bull Sh## can oft be another man's problem.
> > > > > > > Anyhow, as I said, I sent a nice e-mail to the seller.
> > > > > > > I said, "The front of the car doesn't look like any
Mustang
> > I
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > saw. Are you absolutely sure that it is a Mustang? If
so,
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > bid"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That should see if he's willing to clear the air ! I'll
> > post
> > > > > > > immediately after I hear back from him. He will return
on
> > > > Monday
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > 3rd
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
> > > <todd_smith@y...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, friend, I can understand your example of a
> > spoiler.
> > > > If
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > thousand miles away, maybe I can't tell the
difference. I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > think it applies to a car. To transfer a car, one must
> > > > transfer
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > title. The documentation required will create full
> > > disclosure
> > > > at
> > > > > > > some point. Nobody is going to be duped in this
> > procedure.
> > > > At
> > > > > > > worst, someone might be inconvenienced. Even that is
not
> > > very
> > > > > > > likely.
> > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I anticipate that the seller
will
> > > > explain
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > details to each caller. It will come up in the process,
so
> > > why
> > > > > risk
> > > > > > > blowing a deal. It would not make sense. I agree with
the
> > > > > seller
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > explaining it to the mass market in terms they will
> > > > understand,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > long as he is forthright in the explanation with
callers.
> > I
> > > > also
> > > > > > > agree with you that it would have been better if he had
> > > > > > > differentiated in the body copy of the ad. Maybe ebay
> > would
> > > > have
> > > > > > > barred the ad, though.
> > > > > > > > I tried to find the ad, but could not. I found the
88,
> > but
> > > > not
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > 85. Oh well, much ado about nothing. Otherwise, thank
you
> > > > for
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > your good posts. I enjoy this board very much. Pardon
my
> > > > > > > contentiousness, but I rail at people who want to sue
about
> > > > > > bullshit
> > > > > > > stuff. Anyway, take care and I'll look forward to more
of
> > > > your
> > > > > > great
> > > > > > > posts.
> > > > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:If I sell to
you a
> > > > > genuine
> > > > > > > McLaren spoiler for $300 and you find out later that it
was
> > > > not a
> > > > > > > > McLaren spoiler at all that you purchased, but in
fact a
> > > > > standard
> > > > > > > issue $129 Mustang spoiler..
> > > > > > > > would you not try to either return the goods and get a
> > > > refund
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > would you silently accept the
> > > > > > > > fact that you paid a higher then market price because
you
> > > > were
> > > > > > lead
> > > > > > > to believe the item was a rare
> > > > > > > > and limited McLaren spoiler. No one likes to be made
a
> > > > sucker.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Misrepresentation of merchandise is unfortunately an
all
> > > too
> > > > > > common
> > > > > > > occurence in our society, that
> > > > > > > > attempts to take advantage of the uninformed. The
laws
> > are
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > to protect the consumer when a
> > > > > > > > swindle takes place.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With eBay the purchaser is usually purchasing the
vehicle
> > > at
> > > > a
> > > > > > > distance from the car itself. They
> > > > > > > > take the information provided in the auction
description
> > as
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > something that they can base
> > > > > > > > their opinion on whether to bid or not to bid on a
> > > vehicle.
> > > > > They
> > > > > > > do not have the opportunity to
> > > > > > > > visit the vehicle or in that case examine the
vehicle's
> > > > > > > registration papers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Similarly, not all people out there are 'hip' to the
fact
> > > > that
> > > > > > > there are 'Capri' models and
> > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models. We can just chalk them up to the
ill-
> > > > > informed
> > > > > > > part of society.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The misrepresentation of a vehicle, as being a Ford
> > Mustang
> > > > as
> > > > > > > compared to a Mercury Capri,
> > > > > > > > without any further clarification in the ad rectifying
> > > > > > > the 'similarity' of the vehicle, hopes to
> > > > > > > > deceive the uninformed who are not necessarily aware
that
> > > > there
> > > > > > > were 'Capri' models as compared to
> > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So yes, it is very possible that a purchaser of that
> > > vehicle
> > > > > may
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > falsely mislead into believing
> > > > > > > > he has purchased a 'Mustang'. And although he may be
> > very
> > > > > > thrilled
> > > > > > > to learn that his purchase
> > > > > > > > turns out to in fact be a 'Capri' it is not what he
> > > > negotiated
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > purchased.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the bottom line to this tale is not to advocate
> > > > litigation,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > to wonder why some of these
> > > > > > > > advertisers clearly persist in falsely representing
the
> > > > > vehicles
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > Mustangs when they are Capris.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marq
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sue? are you an attorney? please sir, we don't need
> > > > another
> > > > > > > frivolous movement of idiocy
> > > > > > > > > clogging our courts. this mornings thread is much
ado
> > > > about
> > > > > > > nothing. someone is trying to
> > > > > > > > > bring their car to market and help the uneducated
> > public
> > > > > reach
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > to consider it. nobody is
> > > > > > > > > going to go away from the final transaction not
knowing
> > > > what
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > got. furthermore, the
> > > > > > > > > resultant buyer will probably be grateful that they
wer
> > > > able
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > find such a nice car and we will
> > > > > > > > > all benefit by higher market prices for our cars.
> > > > > > > > > todd, 84 #2
> > > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:I think the
sad
> > > > point
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > this advert is that it is
> > > > > > > > > supposedly a representative of a 'Collector'
> > > > > > > > > who is selling this car off... Surely a 'collector'
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > mislead his 'agent' by telling
> > > > > > > > > him " This Low Mileage Convertible Ford Mustang
> > McClaren
> > > > is
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > sold from a Car Collectors
> > > > > > > > > Private Collection.. "
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But I think the lesson we have seen over the past
while
> > > is
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > to command the bucks you have to
> > > > > > > > > tell the audience that the car is a Mustang to catch
> > > their
> > > > > > > attention. Then you can explain it
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > them afterwards that ' it is really a McLaren
Mercury
> > > > Capri -
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > they are almost identical to a
> > > > > > > > > McLaren Ford Mustang... :) Hmmmm... almost a bit
of a
> > > > bait
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > switch eh ? Maybe one of these
> > > > > > > > > buyers should sue them after they buy it when it
turns
> > > out
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > it wasn't a McLaren Ford Mustang
> > > > > > > > > that they were sold...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Marq
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2401350413&category=6236
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yet another seller claiming its a Mustang.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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