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1994 Number: 1993 From: John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...> Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003 10:47 pm Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert
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Sandy, have you seen any coups with an "H"?
Or could it be that the convertibles made for orders beyond what was expected were taken from mercury and converted, thus having the "E"
BTW on a different note, I am now rebuilding the motor and trans for the convertible to dead stock specs.
I'm just searching everywhere for that NOS wiring harness for the cfi system. I really would like new as all the parts cars I see are hacked and chopped up...
John----- Original Message ----- From: <cigarsandy@c...> To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert> No, I have seen many SC 2-Seat Roadsters with the "E" in the 3rd > place holder. > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...> wrote: > > The "E" cars were the normal capri's and the McLaren coups. Seems > they were > > simply cars that were mostly completed at the factory before > conversion. > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <negusm@y...> > > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert > > > > > > > Have you found out where these "E" cars were originally headed > for? > > > The old Mustangs have a "DSO" code which kind of gave the area of > the > > > country where the cars were headed. > > > > > > Maybe the "E" cars were headed for a bankrupt dealership or > something > > > weird. > > > > > > More pointless wondering... > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" > > > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote: > > > > Nope! > > > > Lines like: "OVERSTOCKED" "FORCED TO TAKE EXTRA > CARS" "FACTORY > > > > CLEARANCE" are all hype to hook-in buyers. Every single car on > any > > > > dealer's lot was in fact ORDERED by him, bar none!! Likewise, > NOT > > > > ONE CAR on his lot, was NOT ordered by him. Cars are built > under 1 > > > > of 3 codes:- > > > > A= Dealer Inventory unit > > > > B= Sold Unit, Retail Customer waiting > > > > C= Sold Unit, Fleet Customer waiting. > > > > > > > > Factories do NOT build "unwanted" cars, just to keep the presses > > > > going, as is said. Storage problems, for one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm <negusm@y...>" > > > > <negusm@y...> wrote: > > > > > Well, some Vins wouldn't be slotted for any dealer at all, > would > > > > > they? Maybe some Capris with the E just got yanked at the > last > > > > > minute for ASC. I thought car companies built some cars and > just > > > > > distributed them without having specific dealer orders. I > often > > > > > hear dealers say that they "had to take at least one of this > > > model" > > > > > from the car maker even if they didn't want it. Maybe Ford > had > > > > > extra Capris that no dealers wanted and just sent them to ASC > > > when > > > > > they fit the bill. > > > > > > > > > > Just idle thinking... > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block > > > <cigarsandy@c...>" > > > > > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote: > > > > > > I can partially explain the "H" and the "E" in the 3rd > > > posistion > > > > > of > > > > > > the VIN. However, I hate to go into it, as I cannot > explain it > > > > > > fully, as I never was able to learn from asc the full > story. I > > > > > will > > > > > > tell as much as I do know. 1mEbp was the normal prefix of a > > > 1984- > > > > > > 1986 Mercury Capri. 1mHbp was a unique prefix, denoting > > > > > > an "Incomplete Vehicle" ~ Many of these '84-'86 2-Seat > > > > Roadsters > > > > > > have a decal (or tag) on the driver's side door post that > tells > > > > > that > > > > > > it was in fact an incomplete vehicle. That is not unusual > for > > > a > > > > > > vehicle that is going to a conversion company. Most > Cadillac > > > > > > deVilles that are built under a coachbulder code, also carry > > > > > > a "different" VIN prefix. Now, as I understood it some > Capris > > > > > were > > > > > > made under the 1mHbp code as an incomplete car for the > purpose > > > of > > > > > > becoming a 2-seat roadster at ascMcLaren. Other cars > (1mEbp) > > > > were > > > > > > plucked off the assembly line, at completion of normal > > > assembly, > > > > > and > > > > > > sent to ascMcLaren to become these cars. > > > > > > However, it doesn't add up for this reason. No car "just > gets > > > > > built" > > > > > > ~~ at the other end is an awaiting dealer who has ordered > THAT > > > > car > > > > > > either for his inventory (stock) or for a waiting customer. > > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > happened to a dealer whose car got plucked off the line to > go > > > to > > > > > asc? > > > > > > Was he not mad at the loss of his car??? I know I am > correct > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > 1mEbp & the 1mHbp but I cannot understand why the were not > ALL > > > > > made > > > > > > under 1mHbp, as they should have been. Two products, > > > identical, > > > > > > being made under two different VINS....there's more here > going > > > > on, > > > > > > but I could never find out. > > > > > > > > > > > > S A N D Y > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "gemellifamily > > > > <jgemelli@o...>" > > > > > > <jgemelli@o...> wrote: > > > > > > > In any event that looks like a real nice asc! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One funny thing is that I thought all convertibles vin's > were > > > > > 1MHBP > > > > > > > to start out. I know mine is and my insurance company > goes > > > > > crazy > > > > > > > about it. (I spent 10 minutes arguing with a girl over > who's > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > me or her computer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always wanted those spoilers on the vert. Never did it > > > > though > > > > > as > > > > > > I > > > > > > > left the body dead stock. With just 19K on the clock I > can't > > > > > > really > > > > > > > beleive that it's not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH and his wood looks just like mine. (guessing it's from > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > production period.) Stock kenwood radio surronded by > wood! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safe driving! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith > > > <todd_smith@y...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good job, Sandy! Thanks for the effort. I hope he > pulls > > > > > through. > > > > > > > > "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...> > > > wrote:One > > > > > > man's > > > > > > > Bull Sh## can oft be another man's problem. > > > > > > > > Anyhow, as I said, I sent a nice e-mail to the seller. > > > > > > > > I said, "The front of the car doesn't look like any > Mustang > > > I > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > saw. Are you absolutely sure that it is a Mustang? If > so, > > > > > I'll > > > > > > > bid" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That should see if he's willing to clear the air ! I'll > > > post > > > > > > > > immediately after I hear back from him. He will return > on > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith > > > > <todd_smith@y...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, friend, I can understand your example of a > > > spoiler. > > > > > If > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > thousand miles away, maybe I can't tell the > difference. I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > think it applies to a car. To transfer a car, one must > > > > > transfer > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > title. The documentation required will create full > > > > disclosure > > > > > at > > > > > > > > some point. Nobody is going to be duped in this > > > procedure. > > > > > At > > > > > > > > worst, someone might be inconvenienced. Even that is > not > > > > very > > > > > > > > likely. > > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I anticipate that the seller > will > > > > > explain > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > details to each caller. It will come up in the process, > so > > > > why > > > > > > risk > > > > > > > > blowing a deal. It would not make sense. I agree with > the > > > > > > seller > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > explaining it to the mass market in terms they will > > > > > understand, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > long as he is forthright in the explanation with > callers. > > > I > > > > > also > > > > > > > > agree with you that it would have been better if he had > > > > > > > > differentiated in the body copy of the ad. Maybe ebay > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > > barred the ad, though. > > > > > > > > > I tried to find the ad, but could not. I found the > 88, > > > but > > > > > not > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 85. Oh well, much ado about nothing. Otherwise, thank > you > > > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > your good posts. I enjoy this board very much. Pardon > my > > > > > > > > contentiousness, but I rail at people who want to sue > about > > > > > > > bullshit > > > > > > > > stuff. Anyway, take care and I'll look forward to more > of > > > > > your > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > posts. > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:If I sell to > you a > > > > > > genuine > > > > > > > > McLaren spoiler for $300 and you find out later that it > was > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > McLaren spoiler at all that you purchased, but in > fact a > > > > > > standard > > > > > > > > issue $129 Mustang spoiler.. > > > > > > > > > would you not try to either return the goods and get a > > > > > refund > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > would you silently accept the > > > > > > > > > fact that you paid a higher then market price because > you > > > > > were > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > to believe the item was a rare > > > > > > > > > and limited McLaren spoiler. No one likes to be made > a > > > > > sucker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Misrepresentation of merchandise is unfortunately an > all > > > > too > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > occurence in our society, that > > > > > > > > > attempts to take advantage of the uninformed. The > laws > > > are > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > to protect the consumer when a > > > > > > > > > swindle takes place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With eBay the purchaser is usually purchasing the > vehicle > > > > at > > > > > a > > > > > > > > distance from the car itself. They > > > > > > > > > take the information provided in the auction > description > > > as > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > something that they can base > > > > > > > > > their opinion on whether to bid or not to bid on a > > > > vehicle. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > do not have the opportunity to > > > > > > > > > visit the vehicle or in that case examine the > vehicle's > > > > > > > > registration papers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, not all people out there are 'hip' to the > fact > > > > > that > > > > > > > > there are 'Capri' models and > > > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models. We can just chalk them up to the > ill- > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > part of society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The misrepresentation of a vehicle, as being a Ford > > > Mustang > > > > > as > > > > > > > > compared to a Mercury Capri, > > > > > > > > > without any further clarification in the ad rectifying > > > > > > > > the 'similarity' of the vehicle, hopes to > > > > > > > > > deceive the uninformed who are not necessarily aware > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > > were 'Capri' models as compared to > > > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So yes, it is very possible that a purchaser of that > > > > vehicle > > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > falsely mislead into believing > > > > > > > > > he has purchased a 'Mustang'. And although he may be > > > very > > > > > > > thrilled > > > > > > > > to learn that his purchase > > > > > > > > > turns out to in fact be a 'Capri' it is not what he > > > > > negotiated > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > purchased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the bottom line to this tale is not to advocate > > > > > litigation, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > to wonder why some of these > > > > > > > > > advertisers clearly persist in falsely representing > the > > > > > > vehicles > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Mustangs when they are Capris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sue? are you an attorney? please sir, we don't need > > > > > another > > > > > > > > frivolous movement of idiocy > > > > > > > > > > clogging our courts. this mornings thread is much > ado > > > > > about > > > > > > > > nothing. someone is trying to > > > > > > > > > > bring their car to market and help the uneducated > > > public > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > to consider it. nobody is > > > > > > > > > > going to go away from the final transaction not > knowing > > > > > what > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > got. furthermore, the > > > > > > > > > > resultant buyer will probably be grateful that they > wer > > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > find such a nice car and we will > > > > > > > > > > all benefit by higher market prices for our cars. > > > > > > > > > > todd, 84 #2 > > > > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:I think the > sad > > > > > point > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this advert is that it is > > > > > > > > > > supposedly a representative of a 'Collector' > > > > > > > > > > who is selling this car off... Surely a 'collector' > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > mislead his 'agent' by telling > > > > > > > > > > him " This Low Mileage Convertible Ford Mustang > > > McClaren > > > > > is > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > sold from a Car Collectors > > > > > > > > > > Private Collection.. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think the lesson we have seen over the past > while > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > to command the bucks you have to > > > > > > > > > > tell the audience that the car is a Mustang to catch > > > > their > > > > > > > > attention. Then you can explain it > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > them afterwards that ' it is really a McLaren > Mercury > > > > > Capri - > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > they are almost identical to a > > > > > > > > > > McLaren Ford Mustang... :) Hmmmm... almost a bit > of a > > > > > bait > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > switch eh ? Maybe one of these > > > > > > > > > > buyers should sue them after they buy it when it > turns > > > > out > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it wasn't a McLaren Ford Mustang > > > > > > > > > > that they were sold... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > > > > > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2401350413&category=6236 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another seller claiming its a Mustang. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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