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From: "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003  11:43 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert

Body:
NO, never a coupe with "H" ~ they were not physically converted.
(and) YES, I have seen very early SC 2-Seat Roadsters with "H" as
wellas "E" ~



--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...> wrote:
> Sandy, have you seen any coups with an "H"?
>
> Or could it be that the convertibles made for orders beyond what was
> expected were taken from mercury and converted, thus having the "E"
>
> BTW on a different note, I am now rebuilding the motor and trans
for the
> convertible to dead stock specs.
>
> I'm just searching everywhere for that NOS wiring harness for the
cfi
> system. I really would like new as all the parts cars I see are
hacked and
> chopped up...
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cigarsandy@c...>
> To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert
>
>
> > No, I have seen many SC 2-Seat Roadsters with the "E" in the 3rd
> > place holder.
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...>
wrote:
> > > The "E" cars were the normal capri's and the McLaren coups.
Seems
> > they were
> > > simply cars that were mostly completed at the factory before
> > conversion.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <negusm@y...>
> > > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert
> > >
> > >
> > > > Have you found out where these "E" cars were originally headed
> > for?
> > > > The old Mustangs have a "DSO" code which kind of gave the
area of
> > the
> > > > country where the cars were headed.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the "E" cars were headed for a bankrupt dealership or
> > something
> > > > weird.
> > > >
> > > > More pointless wondering...
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block
<cigarsandy@c...>"
> > > > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Nope!
> > > > > Lines like: "OVERSTOCKED" "FORCED TO TAKE EXTRA
> > CARS" "FACTORY
> > > > > CLEARANCE" are all hype to hook-in buyers. Every single
car on
> > any
> > > > > dealer's lot was in fact ORDERED by him, bar none!!
Likewise,
> > NOT
> > > > > ONE CAR on his lot, was NOT ordered by him. Cars are built
> > under 1
> > > > > of 3 codes:-
> > > > > A= Dealer Inventory unit
> > > > > B= Sold Unit, Retail Customer waiting
> > > > > C= Sold Unit, Fleet Customer waiting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Factories do NOT build "unwanted" cars, just to keep the
presses
> > > > > going, as is said. Storage problems, for one.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm <negusm@y...>"
> > > > > <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Well, some Vins wouldn't be slotted for any dealer at all,
> > would
> > > > > > they? Maybe some Capris with the E just got yanked at the
> > last
> > > > > > minute for ASC. I thought car companies built some cars
and
> > just
> > > > > > distributed them without having specific dealer orders. I
> > often
> > > > > > hear dealers say that they "had to take at least one of
this
> > > > model"
> > > > > > from the car maker even if they didn't want it. Maybe
Ford
> > had
> > > > > > extra Capris that no dealers wanted and just sent them to
ASC
> > > > when
> > > > > > they fit the bill.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just idle thinking...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block
> > > > <cigarsandy@c...>"
> > > > > > <cigarsandy@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I can partially explain the "H" and the "E" in the 3rd
> > > > posistion
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the VIN. However, I hate to go into it, as I cannot
> > explain it
> > > > > > > fully, as I never was able to learn from asc the full
> > story. I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > tell as much as I do know. 1mEbp was the normal prefix
of a
> > > > 1984-
> > > > > > > 1986 Mercury Capri. 1mHbp was a unique prefix, denoting
> > > > > > > an "Incomplete Vehicle" ~ Many of these '84-'86 2-Seat
> > > > > Roadsters
> > > > > > > have a decal (or tag) on the driver's side door post
that
> > tells
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > it was in fact an incomplete vehicle. That is not
unusual
> > for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > vehicle that is going to a conversion company. Most
> > Cadillac
> > > > > > > deVilles that are built under a coachbulder code, also
carry
> > > > > > > a "different" VIN prefix. Now, as I understood it some
> > Capris
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > made under the 1mHbp code as an incomplete car for the
> > purpose
> > > > of
> > > > > > > becoming a 2-seat roadster at ascMcLaren. Other cars
> > (1mEbp)
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > plucked off the assembly line, at completion of normal
> > > > assembly,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > sent to ascMcLaren to become these cars.
> > > > > > > However, it doesn't add up for this reason. No
car "just
> > gets
> > > > > > built"
> > > > > > > ~~ at the other end is an awaiting dealer who has
ordered
> > THAT
> > > > > car
> > > > > > > either for his inventory (stock) or for a waiting
customer.
> > > > So,
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > happened to a dealer whose car got plucked off the line
to
> > go
> > > > to
> > > > > > asc?
> > > > > > > Was he not mad at the loss of his car??? I know I am
> > correct
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > 1mEbp & the 1mHbp but I cannot understand why the were
not
> > ALL
> > > > > > made
> > > > > > > under 1mHbp, as they should have been. Two products,
> > > > identical,
> > > > > > > being made under two different VINS....there's more here
> > going
> > > > > on,
> > > > > > > but I could never find out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > S A N D Y
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "gemellifamily
> > > > > <jgemelli@o...>"
> > > > > > > <jgemelli@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In any event that looks like a real nice asc!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One funny thing is that I thought all convertibles
vin's
> > were
> > > > > > 1MHBP
> > > > > > > > to start out. I know mine is and my insurance company
> > goes
> > > > > > crazy
> > > > > > > > about it. (I spent 10 minutes arguing with a girl
over
> > who's
> > > > > > > right,
> > > > > > > > me or her computer)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I always wanted those spoilers on the vert. Never
did it
> > > > > though
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > left the body dead stock. With just 19K on the clock
I
> > can't
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > beleive that it's not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OH and his wood looks just like mine. (guessing it's
from
> > > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > production period.) Stock kenwood radio surronded by
> > wood!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Safe driving!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
> > > > <todd_smith@y...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > good job, Sandy! Thanks for the effort. I hope he
> > pulls
> > > > > > through.
> > > > > > > > > "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...>" <cigarsandy@c...>
> > > > wrote:One
> > > > > > > man's
> > > > > > > > Bull Sh## can oft be another man's problem.
> > > > > > > > > Anyhow, as I said, I sent a nice e-mail to the
seller.
> > > > > > > > > I said, "The front of the car doesn't look like any
> > Mustang
> > > > I
> > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > saw. Are you absolutely sure that it is a
Mustang? If
> > so,
> > > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > bid"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That should see if he's willing to clear the air !
I'll
> > > > post
> > > > > > > > > immediately after I hear back from him. He will
return
> > on
> > > > > > Monday
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 3rd
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith
> > > > > <todd_smith@y...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, friend, I can understand your example of a
> > > > spoiler.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > thousand miles away, maybe I can't tell the
> > difference. I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > think it applies to a car. To transfer a car, one
must
> > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > title. The documentation required will create full
> > > > > disclosure
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > some point. Nobody is going to be duped in this
> > > > procedure.
> > > > > > At
> > > > > > > > > worst, someone might be inconvenienced. Even that
is
> > not
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > likely.
> > > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I anticipate that the seller
> > will
> > > > > > explain
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > details to each caller. It will come up in the
process,
> > so
> > > > > why
> > > > > > > risk
> > > > > > > > > blowing a deal. It would not make sense. I agree
with
> > the
> > > > > > > seller
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > explaining it to the mass market in terms they will
> > > > > > understand,
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > long as he is forthright in the explanation with
> > callers.
> > > > I
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > agree with you that it would have been better if he
had
> > > > > > > > > differentiated in the body copy of the ad. Maybe
ebay
> > > > would
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > barred the ad, though.
> > > > > > > > > > I tried to find the ad, but could not. I found
the
> > 88,
> > > > but
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 85. Oh well, much ado about nothing. Otherwise,
thank
> > you
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > your good posts. I enjoy this board very much.
Pardon
> > my
> > > > > > > > > contentiousness, but I rail at people who want to
sue
> > about
> > > > > > > > bullshit
> > > > > > > > > stuff. Anyway, take care and I'll look forward to
more
> > of
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > > posts.
> > > > > > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:If I sell
to
> > you a
> > > > > > > genuine
> > > > > > > > > McLaren spoiler for $300 and you find out later
that it
> > was
> > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > McLaren spoiler at all that you purchased, but in
> > fact a
> > > > > > > standard
> > > > > > > > > issue $129 Mustang spoiler..
> > > > > > > > > > would you not try to either return the goods and
get a
> > > > > > refund
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > would you silently accept the
> > > > > > > > > > fact that you paid a higher then market price
because
> > you
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > lead
> > > > > > > > > to believe the item was a rare
> > > > > > > > > > and limited McLaren spoiler. No one likes to be
made
> > a
> > > > > > sucker.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Misrepresentation of merchandise is unfortunately
an
> > all
> > > > > too
> > > > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > occurence in our society, that
> > > > > > > > > > attempts to take advantage of the uninformed. The
> > laws
> > > > are
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > to protect the consumer when a
> > > > > > > > > > swindle takes place.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With eBay the purchaser is usually purchasing the
> > vehicle
> > > > > at
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > distance from the car itself. They
> > > > > > > > > > take the information provided in the auction
> > description
> > > > as
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > something that they can base
> > > > > > > > > > their opinion on whether to bid or not to bid on a
> > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > > do not have the opportunity to
> > > > > > > > > > visit the vehicle or in that case examine the
> > vehicle's
> > > > > > > > > registration papers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Similarly, not all people out there are 'hip' to
the
> > fact
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > there are 'Capri' models and
> > > > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models. We can just chalk them up to
the
> > ill-
> > > > > > > informed
> > > > > > > > > part of society.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The misrepresentation of a vehicle, as being a
Ford
> > > > Mustang
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > compared to a Mercury Capri,
> > > > > > > > > > without any further clarification in the ad
rectifying
> > > > > > > > > the 'similarity' of the vehicle, hopes to
> > > > > > > > > > deceive the uninformed who are not necessarily
aware
> > that
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > were 'Capri' models as compared to
> > > > > > > > > > 'Mustang' models.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So yes, it is very possible that a purchaser of
that
> > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > falsely mislead into believing
> > > > > > > > > > he has purchased a 'Mustang'. And although he
may be
> > > > very
> > > > > > > > thrilled
> > > > > > > > > to learn that his purchase
> > > > > > > > > > turns out to in fact be a 'Capri' it is not what
he
> > > > > > negotiated
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > purchased.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So the bottom line to this tale is not to advocate
> > > > > > litigation,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > to wonder why some of these
> > > > > > > > > > advertisers clearly persist in falsely
representing
> > the
> > > > > > > vehicles
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > Mustangs when they are Capris.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Marq
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sue? are you an attorney? please sir, we don't
need
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > frivolous movement of idiocy
> > > > > > > > > > > clogging our courts. this mornings thread is
much
> > ado
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > nothing. someone is trying to
> > > > > > > > > > > bring their car to market and help the
uneducated
> > > > public
> > > > > > > reach
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > to consider it. nobody is
> > > > > > > > > > > going to go away from the final transaction not
> > knowing
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > got. furthermore, the
> > > > > > > > > > > resultant buyer will probably be grateful that
they
> > wer
> > > > > > able
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > find such a nice car and we will
> > > > > > > > > > > all benefit by higher market prices for our
cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > todd, 84 #2
> > > > > > > > > > > Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:I think
the
> > sad
> > > > > > point
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > this advert is that it is
> > > > > > > > > > > supposedly a representative of a 'Collector'
> > > > > > > > > > > who is selling this car off... Surely
a 'collector'
> > > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > mislead his 'agent' by telling
> > > > > > > > > > > him " This Low Mileage Convertible Ford Mustang
> > > > McClaren
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > sold from a Car Collectors
> > > > > > > > > > > Private Collection.. "
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But I think the lesson we have seen over the
past
> > while
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > to command the bucks you have to
> > > > > > > > > > > tell the audience that the car is a Mustang to
catch
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > attention. Then you can explain it
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > them afterwards that ' it is really a McLaren
> > Mercury
> > > > > > Capri -
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > they are almost identical to a
> > > > > > > > > > > McLaren Ford Mustang... :) Hmmmm... almost a
bit
> > of a
> > > > > > bait
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > switch eh ? Maybe one of these
> > > > > > > > > > > buyers should sue them after they buy it when it
> > turns
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > it wasn't a McLaren Ford Mustang
> > > > > > > > > > > that they were sold...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Marq
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > > > > > > > > > > ViewItem&item=2401350413&category=6236
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another seller claiming its a Mustang.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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