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Number: 2951
From: "negusm" <negusm@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2003  9:48 pm
Subject: Re: How naive can I be?

Body:
Yes, I think so. You can close the auction with the reason that the
item is no longer for sale. I think you don't have to pay any
closing fees. Many car auctions end this way since the car may be
listed locally.

-Mike



--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "ascmclarencoupe" <babrams@l...>
wrote:
> Can't a seller just end the auction at his/her discretion such as
if
> the item doesn't meet the minimum price that they want?
> I recently listed a Pantera on Ebay for a friend of mine who
didn't
> want to bother trying to do it himself. I figured it was good
> practice for me and he was going to cover any costs.
> One thing I learned was that the listing fee is partially based on
> your starting price, so next time I do list something I will start
my
> fist bid much lower.
> I was sure that Ebay gave me the option of ending the auction at
any
> time I wanted to with out a penalty.
> Seems like this guy could have used this option instead of "ghost
> bidding" the car to where he wanted it to be. (assuming he
actually
> did that)
>
> Brent
>
>
>

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Tom S." <tkm654@c...> wrote:
> > "There
> > was also a rule (I think it still applies) that if you as a
seller
> > put an item up and you messed up the starting price, you could
bid
> > exactly one time to set the final price. So he may still be
within
> > his rights and a private auction protects him from that. PLUS he
> > may not have to pay any fees since he "won" his own auction."
> >
> > The above comment no longer applies, eBay frowns highly on this
> > practice and any and all fees will apply to this auction no
matter
> > who wins it. The only way to reverse the fees if he did indeed
bid
> > on it himself would be to file a Non-Paying Bidder alert and
then a
> > Final Value Fee refund but you can only get 3 of those before
you
> > are booted off eBay. That is why some people have what are
> > called "throwaway id's" but you'll never know since this jerk
has a
> > private auction. Private auctions were created to prevent
auction
> > interference but now they are usually used by disreputable
sellers
> > or Adult Category sellers(porn & sex toys).
> >
> > Tom S. (I'm bored) ;-)
> >
> >
> >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > Yes, private auctions are typically a front for shill bidding.
> > >
> > > I don't know why Ebay added that option, its very easy to get
> > > defrauded.
> > >
> > > You could take your case to ebay with all the emails and maybe
> > they
> > > would review the auction and boot the guy. But he'd be back.
> > There
> > > was also a rule (I think it still applies) that if you as a
> seller
> > > put an item up and you messed up the starting price, you could
> bid
> > > exactly one time to set the final price. So he may still be
> > within
> > > his rights and a private auction protects him from that. PLUS
he
> > > may not have to pay any fees since he "won" his own auction.
> > >
> > > You are talking the 85 coupe, right? Not an 86? The coupe
> > > is "mysteriously" at 6k.
> > >
> > > Like I said, I am a firm believer from the pictures I have,
that
> > > that car was from New Jersey. That guy snagged that car cheap
> > > because of no title, redid the interior, cleaned the engine
bay
> > and
> > > took some good photos and now is selling it for $6k. Why he
> > doesn't
> > > just list it for $6k is beyond me, he'd might get a buyer. As
it
> > > sits no one wants to bid or deal with him because of his iffy
> > > tactics.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, lightning95sc
<no_reply@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > O.K ! Everybody please indulge me for just a second while I
> vent
> > > and
> > > > snap back to reality. Wanna hear a funny story? OK! "here it
> > go !"
> > > > Read the post about the '86 on ebay the other day,clicked on
> the
> > > > link to check it out,lo and behold there sits in all its
> > beautiful
> > > > glory one of the better looking specimens of our collective
> > > > affection. TO make matters worse its being sold with no
reserve
> > > (?).
> > > > (This should have been my first clue). Anyway, being the
savy
> > > ebayer
> > > > that I am I decide to watch for a while to see how the
bidding
> > > goes.
> > > > Watched for three hours off and on,no bids,price at
$3000,two
> > days
> > > > left. I thought to myself this might be a genuine bargain,
so I
> > > > emailed the guy to ask a few questions. He replies with
answers
> > > and
> > > > a stated he needed 6k to sell the car(this should have been
my
> > > > second clue).
> > > >
> > > > After reading his reply I checked the auction.... 1 day
left
> > and
> > > > the price is only at $3550. Now I'm thinking "this guy will
> > never
> > > > get six grand out of this and somebody will end up with one
> > > hellava
> > > > bargain Mclaren. Then I saw the notice about the auction
being
> > > > private(third clue). Checked back this morning about 11:30,
> > price
> > > at
> > > > $4056 and change. I figure I'll wait till the auction is
about
> > to
> > > > end and place the winning bid. I fire up the computer about
an
> > > hour
> > > > ago to get set to buy another Mclaren for less than 5grand
> > > > (hopefully) and what do I see? Two more bids than I saw at
> > 11:30,
> > > > but now the price mysteriously reads $6000!!!! DO YOU THINK
> THIS
> > > GUY
> > > > GHOST BID THIS THING UP TO GET HIS PRICE?????