One more comment about the B-303. I had another mustang with a B-
303. Maybe someone could tell me different, but my experience is
the B-303 sounds real good, but the B-303 likes a compression ratio
of nothing less than a 9.0-9.5. The 85 had a compression ratio of
8.5. Mix together a B-303 cam that likes to perform at 4,000-6,000
rpm, a ford intake that "RUNS OUT" at 4,500rpm, a little 2.73/3.08
gear that is really not matched for a B-303 cam, and closed up
heads/exhaust and what you got is a good sounding engine that is
really totally mismatched. Don't get me wrong, I am sure they did
all they could do or at least what was allowed for them to do, but I
have seen stock 85/86's with the stock cam (torquey and desined for
the intake/2.73's/3.08) beat the same type of car with an upgrade to
only a B-303. Not knocking my own mcLaren(s) - believe me - its
just I think FORD/Mclaren should have have done a little math before
they released such a beautiful car that just wasn't matched right -
in the motor department....
Just my 2 cents....Jason
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "capri_16t" <capri_50@m...> wrote:
> And thats another thing that goes through my head about the 'B'
> cam. You realize that could be a reason that ALL record were lost
> on the 85's. So no one could prove that the motor was actually
> emissions illegal... (Just a thought).....
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli <jgemelli@o...>
> wrote:
> > Yep the car I was speaking of is a coupe. Something else to
tell
> you. The
> > B303 was Motorsports first roller cam offering. If you notice
the
> B303 was
> > not because the camshaft never got an EO#. In other words it
was
> not legal
> > to sell it on any productions vehicle that was ever to see the
> public
> > highways. Sandy's description of it should tell folks why.
> > The E303 was emissions exempt and could have been widely
> advertized by ASC
> > had it been available in 1985. It was not, nor was the F303
> >
> > My .02
> > John (3 asc's)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sandy Block" <cigarsandy@c...>
> > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:30 PM
> > Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Re: 85 Coupe Questions
> >
> >
> > The car's a COUPE, correct???
> >
> > Okay, the axle ratio thing was an oversight! ascMcLaren did not
> > think to check out the FoMoCo installed gearing, until mid-
> production
> > build of '85. The 2.73:1 was Std. in the GT with the 3.08:1 as
a
> no-
> > charge option. The 3.08:1 shoulda been included with the D32
> build,
> > so that ALL cars got it, but it wasn't. This was corrected for
> > the '86 build. Furthermore, SOME (I do not know what mandated
> it!!)
> > but SOME '86's had the 3.73:1 ratio, as does mine. Perhaps,
> > again....a No Charge Option ????
> > However, the 3.73:1 was NOT (repeat...NOT) available on an '86
> Coupe
> > with the 5-Speed Manual......only with the Automatic
> Transmission. 5-
> > Speeds got the 3.23:1. Nobody got the 2.73:1 and 5-speeds got
the
> > 3.08:1. While most automatics got the 3.23:1. Confused yet?
> > Coupes...no 'verts got the B-303. I never heard of an E-303, but
> > these cars were so confused, nothing surprises me any longer!
> > You can tell if your car has 303 as if it does, it will be
lumpy,
> > lumpy, lumpy at red lights, and when cold ! It will also
sometimes
> > stall about 3 minutes into "Warm-Up" on a cold AM.
> >
> > S A N D Y
> >
> >
> >
> >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "capri_16t" <capri_50@m...>
> wrote:
> > > Good to know Sandy. Thank you. I just thought ALL came with
> 3.08s.
> > > Didn't realize it was an option. My 88 ASC has 3.08's, but
> didn't
> > > realize it was standard at that time and not before. Everyday
I
> > > find something a little different on the 85s. My 85 also came
> with
> > > an 85mph speedo. I know I read somewhere that most were
suppose
> to
> > > come with a b-303 cam, but I don't seem to hear the typcial
> > duration
> > > sound that i am use to hearing when a regular mustang changes
> their
> > > stock grind to a B-303. My other 86 regular capri 5.0 with an
E-
> > 303
> > > sounds a lot more impressive than whatever this cam is. Is it
> > > possible that mine is a regular stock 85 cam or I am expecting
to
> > > hear something out of a B-303 that really isn't
there.....????
> It
> > > also amazes me that Ford would have put a B-303 cam in their
> since
> > > the FORD intake cuts off breathing WAY before their own B-303
> likes
> > > to operate and a 2.73 gear isn't hardly enough for a B-
303....
> But
> > > I have seen FORD do a lot more crazy things than that....
Give
> me
> > > some more info SANDY.... :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block"
> <cigarsandy@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 1985's came with 2.73:1. The higher ratio was then a no-
charge
> > > > option, and became standard in the 1986's. (We're talkin'
> coupes
> > > > here).
> > > >
> > > > S A N D Y
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "capri_16t"
<capri_50@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Have an interesting question. I have an 85 Blue/orange
> capri.
> > > > Door
> > > > > sticker denotes axle code is 'M'. I thought 'M' is for
> 2.73's
> > > > > and 'Z' was for 3.08's. Did the 3.08's not get installed
in
> > the
> > > > > rear until later (before the decal was made) or is this
one
> of
> > > > those
> > > > > MANY freak mistakes which I happen to have by FORD and/or
> > > Mclaren.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm" <negusm@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > Sandy's Post #356 kind of describes it. There were no
> > > documented
> > > > > > options but it seems there were some undocumented ones
on
> the
> > > > last
> > > > > > of the '85s.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "negusm" <negusm@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yeah, I pulled that out from an old posting. I think
> Sandy
> > > > > > > clarified that actually some of the later 85's had some
> > > options
> > > > > > > added.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, John Gemelli
> > > <jgemelli@o...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Maybe I misunderstand your chart but I think it's
wrong
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > 85's as my
> > > > > > > > Midnight blue coupe has
> > > > > > > > Pop up sunroof, Power locks and a Remote hatch
release
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > glovebox.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "negusm" <negusm@y...>
> > > > > > > > To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:56 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Re: 85 Coupe Questions
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well the following I gleaned from all the postings
> as I
> > > went
> > > > > > > > > through...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Most of it is from sandy and I think it is fairly
> > > > accurate.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > hasn't been cleaned up and may be somewhat
> > jumbled...but
> > > > > here
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > is...correct anything if it is wrong...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Coupe information:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mercury Capri Coupe GS, tagged with an ASC Mclaren
> body
> > > tag
> > > > > > and a
> > > > > > > > > Ford code of D32 to
> > > > > > > > > denote special order.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Standard Equipment:
> > > > > > > > > These items were Extra in the Mustang GT, but
> Standard
> > > in
> > > > > ALL
> > > > > > > Capri
> > > > > > > > > RS (GS?) 5.0L cars, and therefore also in all
> > > asc/McLaren
> > > > > > Coupes,
> > > > > > > > > from the Dearborn Assembly Plant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Power Windows
> > > > > > > > > 2. Light Group
> > > > > > > > > 3. Electric Rr. Defroster
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Items standard in the Mustang GT and Capri:
> > > > > > > > > 1. Tinted Glass
> > > > > > > > > 2. Tilt Steering Wheel
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Options (From Ford) Installed ON LINE at Dearborn
on
> > OUR
> > > > > > COUPES,
> > > > > > > > > were:
> > > > > > > > > 1985
> > > > > > > > > NONE
> > > > > > > > > 1986
> > > > > > > > > Power Door Locks
> > > > > > > > > Remote Hatch Release
> > > > > > > > > Air Conditioning (Standard in 1985)
> > > > > > > > > Speed Control
> > > > > > > > > Pop-Up Sun Roof
> > > > > > > > > T-Roof
> > > > > > > > > Automatic Transmission
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All, except the Air Conditioning which was
standard
> in
> > > 1985
> > > > > > > > > (optional in 1986) were NOT available on 1985s.
> > However,
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > > the end of production of the 1985's asc/McLaren
> > > > > added "Oxford
> > > > > > > White"
> > > > > > > > > as an alternative color choice to the "Midnight
Navy-
> > > Blue
> > > > > > > Metallic",
> > > > > > > > > and at that point, and only on the Oxford White
cars,
> > > they
> > > > > > > allowed
> > > > > > > > > the option of Power Door Locks/Remote Hatch
release,
> > and
> > > > > Speed
> > > > > > > > > Control.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > NO 1985s had the Pop-Up Sun Roof, nor the T-Roof,
nor
> > > > > Automatic
> > > > > > > > > Transmission. 1985s in Oxford White with Pwr.
Locks
> &
> > > > Speed
> > > > > > > Control
> > > > > > > > > are EXTREMELY rare, and I have only 2 on the
> asc/McLaren
> > > > > > > > > International Registry, after keeping the Registry
> now
> > > for
> > > > > 16
> > > > > > > years!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of the 1986's, just nine (9) were equipped with the
> > > > Automatic
> > > > > > > > > Transmission, and the Pop-Up Sun Roof was on
around
> 20
> > > > cars,
> > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > the T-Roof was on around 30 cars. Power Locks were
on
> > > > around
> > > > > 55
> > > > > > > > > cars. I have never found an '86 withOUT A/Cond. The
> > > rarest
> > > > > > combo
> > > > > > > > > would have been an '86 in Platinum Silver Metallic
> with
> > > > > Raven
> > > > > > > Black
> > > > > > > > > decals/logos/stripes, with a T-Roof, Pwr. Locks,
> > > Automatic
> > > > > > Trans.
> > > > > > > > > However, no such car was built!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Engine Oddities in 1985:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Odd Sized Piston Rings...Normal ones are TRW
Metric
> Some
> > > > > > > > > Ford Mustang 1.5mm.-1.5mm-4mm oil ring
> > > > > > > > > Mercury Capri 1/16-1/16-156mm oil ring
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some parts scribed with a P for PROTOTYPE by hand
> > (Valve
> > > > > > Guides,
> > > > > > > > > Springs, etc).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Herewith are the actual alterations done to the
> MOTOR,
> > > > > either
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > Ford (F)
> > > > > > > > > or by asc/McLaren (AM)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A) Upgrade Exhaust Header to Stainless Steel
Internal
> > > > > Mandrel
> > > > > > > Bent
> > > > > > > > > Incorporate Exhaust Port Liners Tuned With Lower
> > > > Restriction
> > > > > > > Exhaust.
> > > > > > > > > B) Tuned Muffler To Reduce Back Pressure & Enhance
> > > Exhaust
> > > > > > Tone.
> > > > > > > > > C) Replace Damper Units & Springs To Achieve Better
> > > > > Cornering
> > > > > > & A
> > > > > > > > > Softer
> > > > > > > > > Ride than The TRX System.
> > > > > > > > > D) Modify Camber Of Vehicle Front & Rear To
Maximize
> > > > > > Performance
> > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > Upgraded
> > > > > > > > > Tire/Wheel Combination. Requires New Wheel
Alignment.
> > > > > > > > > E) Increase Suspension Bushing Durometer.
> > > > > > > > > F) Revise Power Steering To Give More Feedback
> > > Sensitivity
> > > > > > > > > G) Change Shift Linkage To Shorten Throw & Give A
> > > Tighter
> > > > > Feel
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > 1984 & 1985
> > > > > > > > > cars as well 5-Speed Manual 1986 cars.
> > > > > > > > > H) Tires: Upgraded To P225x50:15" From P225x60:15"
Hi
> > > > > > > Performance To
> > > > > > > > > Maximize
> > > > > > > > > Handling & Ride Quality & Enhance Lowered Effect Of
> > > Vehicle
> > > > > > B.F.
> > > > > > > > > Goodrich
> > > > > > > > > "Comp T/A"
> > > > > > > > > I) Replace Valve Springs & Rocker Arms To Increase
> > > Usable
> > > > > Rev.
> > > > > > > Limit
> > > > > > > > > to 7,000 R.P.M.
> > > > > > > > > J) B-303 Ford MotorSport Hi-Po Cam
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Radios
> > > > > > > > > The Speakers in the front were stock Ford
> > > > > > > > > The 2 in the hatch were Kenwood.
> > > > > > > > > They were housed in a rectangle flat black housing
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > KENWOOD stamped
> > > > > > > > > in the top part of the framework.
> > > > > > > > > The stereo in the 1984 & 1985 was by Kenwood.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ground Effects
> > > > > > > > > You do not need a fog light bar. I would think the
> > > > > directions
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > point out that
> > > > > > > > > you need to remove and not reuse a stock fog light
> bar
> > > in
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > install the
> > > > > > > > > airdam. My '85 just had the screws going into some
> nut-
> > > > serts
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > the urethane.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Front Nose was originally a GS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rear End
> > > > > > > > > 3.08:1 Axle Upgrade over 2.73:1
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Light Group" which was an
> > > > > > > > > option (order code 934) on the Capri in 1984.
> > > > > > > > > The "Light Group" includes:
> > > > > > > > > Third-door courtesy light switch
> > > > > > > > > Ashtray light (front)
> > > > > > > > > Glove box light
> > > > > > > > > Dual-beam dome lamp
> > > > > > > > > Engine compartment light
> > > > > > > > > Headlamps-on warning buzzer
> > > > > > > > > Locking fuel filler door w/remote release
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In 1985 the "Light Group" became standard
equipment
> and
> > > > this
> > > > > > > carried
> > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > to 1986 as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Light Covers
> > > > > > > > > They were made by a vacuum
> > > > > > > > > formed machine, from clear lexan plastic. They
have 2
> > > holes
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > that small screws go thru, and down into the
plastic
> > > frame
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > headlights. On the bottom of them is supposed to
be
> two
> > > > tabs
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > velcro that "hook up" to two receiving tabs of
> oppisite
> > > > > velcro,
> > > > > > > > > stuck
> > > > > > > > > to the top of the bumper cover, but out of sight as
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > > > under
> > > > > > > > > the headlamps. If properly installed, they do not
> leak.
> > > The
> > > > > > > > > taillampcovers, on the other hand, do occassionaly
> leak
> > > > > > moisture.
> > > > > > > > > NEVER remove the taillight covers to clean!
Changes
> of
> > > > > > breaking
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > in the re-install are like 85% !
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wheels
> > > > > > > > > 225/60 15" wheels and 25.63 total height top to
> bottom
> > > with
> > > > > > tire.
> > > > > > > > > <==Help to calc speedo gear.
> > > > > > > > > 225/50 15" wheels and 23.90 <===These are the
correct
> > > tires.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Block"
> > > > > > > <cigarsandy@c...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, Also.......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Springs were designed by McLaren, and were
purpose
> > > built
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > spec.
> > > > > > > > > > Shocks were by Carerra in Georgia. 50/50
Shocks,
> the
> > > > OEMs
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > either WHITE or GOLD exterior casing. They are
> still
> > > > > > > available &
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > have the part numbers if anyone needs them.
> > > > > > > > > > Air Horn by Fila ('Ya the sportswear Mfg'r.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Tom G
> > > > > <speedracer815@y...>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm curious about the alterations made to the
> > > coupes.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > > seen
> > > > > > > > > > ASC's sales "brochure" and it really doesn't say
> > > anything
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > performance modifications.
> > > > > > > > > > > I understand they were DSO'd with the B303
cam.
> Any
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > > changes?
> > > > > > > > > > > I also know springs and shocks were different,
> but
> > > does
> > > > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > the actual spring rates?
> > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, I'm constantly amazed at the
depth
> of
> > > > > Sandy's
> > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Sandy, were you an ASC employee during
> > that
> > > > > > period?
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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