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From: "SNP Marq"
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003  12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem...

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Re: [ASC McLaren ] Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem...

Oh... Sandy... you just said the 'magic word' - silver.   Ford / Mercury / Lincoln were NOTORIOUS for having the most defective silver paint jobs of any automobile manufacturer.
 
For some reason Ford simply could not get their 'silver' paint jobs right.   For example, we have a top of the line Marquis Brougham with all the bells and whistles.  Unfortunately it had a silver and gray two two paint job... gray on the sides and silver on the top.  All the silver on the hood began disintegrating within a year and within two years you could see the primer color appearing.   Ford redid the paint job for us because my father had visited the dealer within the first year and documented his complaint with a registered letter.  The subsequent deterioration was accepted as Ford's fault.
 
Not having learned his lesson, my father then went on to purchase a 'silver' Thunderbird.   Within a year the silver paint started degrading to the point where it was not only rough to the touch, but as well it was starting to show the primer.   Ford repainted that 'Bird'.
 
From what I recall Ford actually sent a bulletin out to all their dealerships concerning the historical problems they had with the silver 'argent' paint jobs.   There apparently  existed a 'hidden warranty' that covered those car owners that were the original owners.
 
So what you may be experiencing is the chemical breakdown of the 'silver' paint.   Had your vehicle been in constant use and exposed to the sun the deterioration would have possibly raised its ugly head.   However, since your car has lead a pampered and protected life, it was only the oxidation that etched away at the paint.
 
The combination of sun, oxidation and washing ( even with mild detergents ) would have brought about the famous 'looks like that silver car just drove through a sand storm' appearance that eventually fell other makes and models in the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury family.
 
Marq 
 
 
From: Sandy Block
To: ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts

I put this car up on a lift, and searched underneath it.  Nowhere can
I find even a speck of paint spray (overspary).  Not on the chassis
rails, gas tank or fender wells.  No place.  The color of the car
(silver metallic) is uniform throughout, in all types of light. 
Sunlight, street light at night, under man made light and in the
reflection of other headlights.  The hood is satin smooth as is the
front bumper fascia, the trunk lid and rear quarters.  The gritty
parts are 1/2 the passenger's door and 1/2 the driver's door and both
front fenders.  I would not take it to a body shop, because around
here they are all unattentive to perfection.  The standard to which
they work is geared to in & out minimal acceptance on the road
again "quality" ~ In order to get the kind of quality we are looking
for here, in this area (N.J.) one has to go to a "restoration shop" ~
which is financially our of the question. In the past, I more or less
prided myself on being able to detect bodywork or repaint - but this
one defies my ability.  No overspray, perfect color all around, no
sign of anything less than perfection, short of the feel to the touch
of certain areas on the body.

--- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, "SNP Marq" <infosyssec@i...> wrote:
> Oddly enough, my brother ordered a sparkling new 5.0 black coupe
back in 1988.   At the time of the pre-inspection before taking
possession he noted on the body what appeared to be an occurence of
overspray which gave the front driver panel and part of the driver's
door a slightly sandy feeling to the paint finish... as compared to
the slippery smooth finish on the rest of the car body.
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> His first thoughts were that it may have been slightly scratched
during transit to the dealer and that they had 'attempted' to
camoflage the scratches.
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> The body shop foreman was brought out to see what all the
hullabaloo was about.   He agreed that the vehicle 'should' have
never left the assembly line in that condition.   But he also swore
up and down that his bodyshop had never been tasked with repairing
any scratches in transit on that specific car.
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> The bodyshop foreman took the car to his shop and kept the car for
a few days while they did eveeerry trick in the book to bring the
finish on the fender and door up to the level of quality on the rest
of the car.
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> In the end they polished and coated that little black 5.0 so well
that the paint job on it TODAY is still as fresh and shiny as the day
he picked up the car back in 88.
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> But I guess the key to the story is that a 'new car' finish should
not be feeling feathery to the touch.  The entire body when new
should have a consistennnt smoothness at the time of first delivery...
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> Marq
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Brent Abrams
>   To: ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:46 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts
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>   Sandy,
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>   >From your description, it sounds like paint overspray to me from
a previous
>   paint repair.
>   Take it to a highly reputable body shop that you trust and ask
them to wet
>   sand it and buff it out for you, if it is a perfect color match
as you have
>   said, then it should come out just fine.
>   If you don't have any body shops that you trust, check with the
local
>   Corvette club(s), they are usually a good source for a quality
oriented body
>   shop.
>   When you find the body shop of choice, ask to speak with the
manager or
>   owner and show him some pictures of your cars and explain to him
the
>   condition that they are in and that you expect your car to be
taken care of
>   as if it was the shops first born child. If they don't seem like
they care,
>   then find another shop.
>
>   Good luck,
>   Brent
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Sandy Block" <cigarsandy@c...>
>   To: <ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:19 PM
>   Subject: [ASC McLaren ] Bodywork Experts
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>   You bodywork pros, I got a ??  4-U
>   What does it mean if you find a car that looks 100% perfect, say 2
>   years old, and as you run your fingers down the sides, much of the
>   paintwork is smooth as silk, like a showroom car.  Then, there's
are
>   area that - while the paint is a perfect match - the feel to the
>   touch is "gritty" sorta like a finest sand paper one can buy, I
think
>   it's called #1.  So, you apply a good quality wax and wax it,
remove
>   wax, and it's STILL gritty.  Not REAL gritty, but alot more than
the
>   OTHER real satin-ee smooth.
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>   Dick.  The Crossfire is really nice.  I like them.  Especially
that
>   claret-red colored one.  Will be a very hard car to sell down the
>   road, however.  1)Chrylser 2)Two Seater 3)not much luggage space
4)
>   some say underpowered.
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  Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date  
3861 Re: Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem... negusm negusm Mon  10/27/2003  
3862 Re: Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem... SNP Marq infosyssec Mon  10/27/2003  
3863 Re: Oh.... its the old Ford Silver paint job problem... Sandy Block cigarsandy Mon  10/27/2003