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From: Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...>
Date: Sat Feb 1, 2003  1:19 am
Subject: Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert

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Re: [ASC McLaren ] 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert


good job, Sandy!  Thanks for the effort.  I hope he pulls through.

 "Sandy Block <cigarsandy@comcast.net>" <cigarsandy@comcast.net> wrote:

One man's Bull Sh## can oft be another man's problem.
Anyhow, as I said, I sent a nice e-mail to the seller.
I said, "The front of the car doesn't look like any Mustang I ever
saw.  Are you absolutely sure that it is a Mustang?  If so, I'll bid"

That should see if he's willing to clear the air !  I'll post
immediately after I hear back from him.  He will return on Monday the
3rd
-- In ascmclaren@yahoogroups.com, Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote:
>
> Well, friend, I can understand your example of a spoiler.  If I'm a
thousand miles away, maybe I can't tell the difference.  I don't
think it applies to a car.  To transfer a car, one must transfer a
title.  The documentation required will create full disclosure at
some point.  Nobody is going to be duped in this procedure.  At
worst, someone might be inconvenienced.  Even that is not very
likely.
> I could be wrong, but I anticipate that the seller will explain the
details to each caller. It will come up in the process, so why risk
blowing a deal.  It would not make sense.  I agree with the seller in
explaining it to the mass market in terms they will understand, as
long as he is forthright in the explanation with callers.  I also
agree with you that it would have been better if he had
differentiated in the body copy of the ad.  Maybe ebay would have
barred the ad, though.
> I tried to find the ad, but could not.  I found the 88, but not the
85.  Oh well, much ado about nothing.  Otherwise, thank you for all
your good posts.  I enjoy this board very much.  Pardon my
contentiousness, but I rail at people who want to sue about bullshit
stuff.  Anyway, take care and I'll look forward to more of your great
posts.
> Todd
>  Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:If I sell to you a genuine
McLaren spoiler for $300 and you find out later that it was not a
> McLaren spoiler at all that you purchased, but in fact a standard
issue $129 Mustang spoiler..
> would you not try to either return the goods and get a refund or
would you silently accept the
> fact that you paid a higher then market price because you were lead
to believe the item was a rare
> and limited McLaren spoiler.  No one likes to be made a sucker.
>
> Misrepresentation of merchandise is unfortunately an all too common
occurence in our society, that
> attempts to take advantage of the uninformed.  The laws are there
to protect the consumer when a
> swindle takes place.
>
> With eBay the purchaser is usually purchasing the vehicle at a
distance from the car itself.  They
> take the information provided in the auction description as being
something that they can base
> their opinion on whether to bid or not to bid on a vehicle.  They
do not have the opportunity to
> visit the vehicle or in that case examine the vehicle's
registration papers.
>
> Similarly, not all people out there are 'hip' to the fact that
there are 'Capri' models and
> 'Mustang' models.  We can just chalk them up to the ill-informed
part of society.
>
> The misrepresentation of a vehicle, as being a Ford Mustang as
compared to a Mercury Capri,
> without any further clarification in the ad rectifying
the 'similarity' of the vehicle, hopes to
> deceive the uninformed who are not necessarily aware that there
were 'Capri' models as compared to
> 'Mustang' models.
>
> So yes, it is very possible that a purchaser of that vehicle may be
falsely mislead into believing
> he has purchased a 'Mustang'.  And although he may be very thrilled
to learn that his purchase
> turns out to in fact be a 'Capri' it is not what he negotiated or
purchased.
>
> So the bottom line to this tale is not to advocate litigation, but
to wonder why some of these
> advertisers clearly persist in falsely representing the vehicles as
Mustangs when they are Capris.
>
> Marq
>
>
>
> --- Todd Smith <todd_smith@y...> wrote:
> >
> > sue? are you an attorney?  please sir, we don't need another
frivolous movement of idiocy
> > clogging our courts.  this mornings thread is much ado about
nothing.  someone is trying to
> > bring their car to market and help the uneducated public reach it
to consider it.  nobody is
> > going to go away from the final transaction not knowing what they
got.  furthermore, the
> > resultant buyer will probably be grateful that they wer able to
find such a nice car and we will
> > all benefit by higher market prices for our cars.
> > todd, 84 #2
> >  Marquis Grove <infosyssec@y...> wrote:I think the sad point in
this advert is that it is
> > supposedly a representative of a 'Collector'
> > who is selling this car off... Surely a 'collector' wouldn't have
mislead his 'agent' by telling
> > him " This Low Mileage Convertible Ford Mustang McClaren is being
sold from a Car Collectors
> > Private Collection.. "
> >
> > But I think the lesson we have seen over the past while is that
to command the bucks you have to
> > tell the audience that the car is a Mustang to catch their
attention.  Then you can explain it
> > to
> > them afterwards that ' it is really a McLaren Mercury Capri - but
they are almost identical to a
> > McLaren Ford Mustang... :)   Hmmmm... almost a bit of a bait and
switch eh ?  Maybe one of these
> > buyers should sue them after they buy it when it turns out that
it wasn't a McLaren Ford Mustang
> > that they were sold...
> >
> > Marq
> >
> > --- "negusm <negusm@y...>" <negusm@y...> wrote:
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > ViewItem&item=2401350413&category=6236
> > >
> > > Yet another seller claiming its a Mustang.
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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1985 Re: 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert gemellifamily <jgemelli@o...> gemellifamily Sat  2/1/2003   10 KB
1986 Re: 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...> cigarsandy Sat  2/1/2003   12 KB
1987 Re: 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert negusm <negusm@y...> negusm Sun  2/2/2003   13 KB
1988 Re: 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert Sandy Block <cigarsandy@c...> cigarsandy Sun  2/2/2003   14 KB
1989 Re: 85 Ebay ASC 19k miles, capri vert negusm <negusm@y...> negusm Mon  2/3/2003   15 KB